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  • Dec 22, 2021

    I brushed over the fact that OP is an Eminem stan and decided to read OP

    Lost me right at "streaming numbers"

  • Dec 22, 2021
    skrt

    Good thing the versuz audience isn't a non old heads thing right?

  • y'all dudes stay disrespecting Jay Z's legacy lol. Y'all gon learn one day about the GOAT

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    It's simple mathematics,

    He's a mogul aka a powerfigure in hiphop because of his status. Thus confusing that with his accomplishment in hiphop.

    It's basic scare tactics, talk bad about. Hov and he'll do some behind the industrie sneaky s*** and mess it up for you.

  • Dec 22, 2021
    HitOrMiss

    It's simple mathematics,

    He's a mogul aka a powerfigure in hiphop because of his status. Thus confusing that with his accomplishment in hiphop.

    It's basic scare tactics, talk bad about. Hov and he'll do some behind the industrie sneaky s*** and mess it up for you.

    That whole Twitter Spaces discussion was him doing revisionist history.

  • Dec 22, 2021

    you drake stans are weirdos

  • Dec 22, 2021
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    HitOrMiss

    It's simple mathematics,

    He's a mogul aka a powerfigure in hiphop because of his status. Thus confusing that with his accomplishment in hiphop.

    It's basic scare tactics, talk bad about. Hov and he'll do some behind the industrie sneaky s*** and mess it up for you.

    No.

    Hov simply has more classic/amazing albums than any other rapper ever.

    This is an undisputed FACT.

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    perseus_xx

    Hov has never had a single year on lock
    Got bodied by eminem and nas so hard the track titles became hiphop culture
    Fakes his wives streams

    /camel

    yall would never say this out loud in real life discussing hip hop

  • Dec 22, 2021
    The Darkest Angel

    D***face Drake lol so fitting

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    WRU

    yall would never say this out loud in real life discussing hip hop

    Yeah I would. What are you gonna do about it

  • Dec 22, 2021
    HitOrMiss

    It's simple mathematics,

    He's a mogul aka a powerfigure in hiphop because of his status. Thus confusing that with his accomplishment in hiphop.

    It's basic scare tactics, talk bad about. Hov and he'll do some behind the industrie sneaky s*** and mess it up for you.

    Lol you make it sound like he's just a J Prince/Suge/Diddy/Birdman type figure tho we all know what he's capable of as an artist as well

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    Halloween Gang

    Worth mentioning that Hov undoubtedly would’ve had more billboard hits if he was around in the streaming era. There’s a bit of stat padding nowadays tbh. Drake, Wayne and could are still the better hitmakers but as TGD said, versuz battles are mostly about nostalgia

    I don't count songs that just peaked in the top 10 for one week and fell off "hits". I generally only consider a song a hit if it has some longevity in the top 10/top 20.

    With that being said, Drake would still have a s***-load more hits than Jay Z without the streaming era. He surpassed him as the rapper with the most rap #1s back on 2012 (3 years after he broke into the mainstream music market).

    That's what inspired the "most #1s ever, how long did it really take me" line on 5AM in Toronto.

    As at 2013:
    Billboard’s most number-one Rap Songs
    (name, debut year – total)
    1. Drake, 2009 – 14
    2. Diddy, 1997 – 10
    3. Kanye West, 2005 – 9

    Billboard’s most number-one Hip-Hop/R&B singles
    1. Drake, 2009 – 10
    2. Jay-Z, 1995 – 9
    3. Lil Wayne, 1999 – 8

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    I don't count songs that just peaked in the top 10 for one week and fell off "hits". I generally only consider a song a hit if it has some longevity in the top 10/top 20.

    With that being said, Drake would still have a s***-load more hits than Jay Z without the streaming era. He surpassed him as the rapper with the most rap #1s back on 2012 (3 years after he broke into the mainstream music market).

    That's what inspired the "most #1s ever, how long did it really take me" line on 5AM in Toronto.

    As at 2013:
    Billboard’s most number-one Rap Songs
    (name, debut year – total)
    1. Drake, 2009 – 14
    2. Diddy, 1997 – 10
    3. Kanye West, 2005 – 9

    Billboard’s most number-one Hip-Hop/R&B singles
    1. Drake, 2009 – 10
    2. Jay-Z, 1995 – 9
    3. Lil Wayne, 1999 – 8

    You comparing two different eras with two very different means of consuming music.

  • Dec 22, 2021

    Drake is only this popular for the exact same reason that Eminem was so popular back in the day

    Because hes basically white.

    His music really doesnt have any kind of substance

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    Tell me what's the answer when Jay drops this?

    Exactly! FOH

  • Dec 22, 2021
    VeggieKubernetes

    Yeah I would. What are you gonna do about it

    laugh you out the room

  • Dec 22, 2021
    WRU

    yall would never say this out loud in real life discussing hip hop

    Even Jay Z has admitted to this before, what are you saying?

    He NEVER ran a year in rap commercially or even culturally. He was always #2 or #3. Where he wins above most of his peers is his consistency and the fact that he outlasted most of them. That's all.

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    These kids grew up in the streaming era and sadly thats all they know

    Their logic is that CLB is better than illmatic because it sold more and had more hits

    No point in arguing with such dumbasses

  • Dec 22, 2021
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    Jay Z was the numbers guy till he stopped putting up numbers. Then the narrative changed to "fuck Billboard" and "we don't care about streams here" after buying a whole streaming service to get in on the money being generated and the streaming service failing and forcing him to sell off parts of it.

    When are y'all gonna see that this man will be for something as long as he can benefit from it. The moment he can't, he'll try to make it seem uncool but he's lost that power decades ago. That's why DOA aged like milk.

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    ColtWilliamsMusic

    Tell me what's the answer when Jay drops this?

    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiVXmGUp8Cg

    Exactly! FOH

    It's crazy. Mans are talking about 0-100 or Started from the bottom against s*** like this. I'm embarrassed

  • Dec 22, 2021
    ColtWilliamsMusic

    You comparing two different eras with two very different means of consuming music.

    The streaming era began in 2015. Drake surpassed every rapper as the rapper with the most #1 rap hits in 2011. Back then only digital and physical sales counted towards the charts, so how am I making the wrong comparisons?

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    thegreatdivine
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    I don't count songs that just peaked in the top 10 for one week and fell off "hits". I generally only consider a song a hit if it has some longevity in the top 10/top 20.

    With that being said, Drake would still have a s***-load more hits than Jay Z without the streaming era. He surpassed him as the rapper with the most rap #1s back on 2012 (3 years after he broke into the mainstream music market).

    That's what inspired the "most #1s ever, how long did it really take me" line on 5AM in Toronto.

    As at 2013:
    Billboard’s most number-one Rap Songs
    (name, debut year – total)
    1. Drake, 2009 – 14
    2. Diddy, 1997 – 10
    3. Kanye West, 2005 – 9

    Billboard’s most number-one Hip-Hop/R&B singles
    1. Drake, 2009 – 10
    2. Jay-Z, 1995 – 9
    3. Lil Wayne, 1999 – 8

    Yep agree. But as you said, people go crazy for the nostalgia factor in these type of things. Case in point - the larry Hoover concert when drizzy performed newer songs compared to Ye

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    skrt

    It's crazy. Mans are talking about 0-100 or Started from the bottom against s*** like this. I'm embarrassed

    Any am/pm track goes head to head with it

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