Ngl y’all I might be jokerpilled

Feel like I need a 2nd viewing at least

Bro, where did that 200 mil even go

Sheeesh 😬😬 appreciate the insight

Movie was gas for sure

Getting really tired of bots and children running film discourse

That's all of Twitter now. Gassing up trash and pissing all over anything else

I’m just gonna say it.

A lot of Joker hate feels like “baby’s first hot take”.
Like someone watched a couple Scorsese / Nolan films and needs to virtue signal about how much they understand real cinema.

reminds me of ralphthemoviemaker's weird ass video on it

don't get why these movies get people so worked up

Real, if true. Joaquin is clearly only interested in making something artistically satisfying to him. This movie is frustrating because there’s so much unrealized potential, but the ideas are interesting. I don’t understand how people can call it both a cash grab, and a movie designed to piss off the fans.

As a gaga fan since 2008, she has always hyped her projects after their release. This is her first one wher she hasnt said a word. I thnk it speaks volumes

I think they kept it open ended so people could think one or the other

Yeah the whole raped the Joker out of him narrative seems a bit much still to me but I’ll take it for what it is lol

HE WAS RAPED?!

Am I the only one who don’t think he got raped ??

My brain just did not get that out of that scene and I was shocked to see it be the consensus as I read peoples thoughts after the film. I was like wait wtf?

To me it just looked like the guards beat him almost to death

Todd also said his friend being choked outside his sell after is what made him drop being joker and I feel like he would’ve mentioned the other thing if it did happen

It being a rape is definitely the consensus and will be solidified as the plot for people unless someone clears it up but I completely missed it. Maybe on second watch it’s obvious

I'm pretty sure that is not what happened. I think Twitter is completely misinterpreting that scene

Nah you’re right to think that

There’s nothing that inherently says he got raped but I think people hearing the guard say to remove his trousers (pants) implied that it happened. But really he just looks beaten badly after. I also find it strange people say the rape is what causes him to revert to Arthur when it’s actually the death of his friend/supporter that makes him turn sour to the idea of being an idol.

well somebody was quick to put that on the plot synopsis on wikipedia as well lol not that that means much early on

his pants still being off afterwards seems to nod to something like that though

At the end of the day the one thing he wanted was to entertain people.

So that validation from being the joker he was trying to entertain through that, even though every time he tried to be funny it sounds like when Elon makes a ‘joke’

People wanted him to keep knocking off rich people, mostly, and express rage towards the establishment. But he wasn’t equipped to really give them what they wanted for the most part

i hope you're right and that it's not what happened. like you say, it makes more sense for him to walk back joker as fake after his friend dies. but i think it's easy for most viewers' brains to go there or connect dots

it's a tragically common occurrence in prisons of any kind. it could've been alluded to in dialogue with the 'buy me dinner first' line, and the joke about his mom's abusive boyfriend (who SA'd him).

and the fact when they lay him flat on the ground, the scene cuts on both men crouching to remove something on his lower half (which at that point is just his underwear).

it's upsetting to think they'd do this in poor taste, but i can't help thinking it's at least hinted at, especially when so many people left the theatre with that conclusion

for sure definitely an awful misstep to even have that be such a widely interpreted thing that happened.

i also think the

they raped the joker out of him!

thing is actually whats making me just flat out shut out the possibility that it took place. especially since we had the prisoner dying + gary on the stand scenes that clearly set up the arc without the need for rape

i think if it happened earlier i would buy it and it may even be less egregious but to have it where it is, if it happened, is ridiculous lmfao