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    Let's go through his recent controversies.

    The white lives matter thing was Demna inspo, the point is to get people talking about his fashion show. Demna been doing the same s*** for years now, putting deliberately controversial pieces in his shows to drum up publicity. I'd wager that Ye really doesn't care about white lives matter very much at all, in the sense that he's not really for or against what they stand for. I'm pretty sure he's much more interested in the "taboo" nature of the phrase.

    The wylin on twitter is Ye trying to figure out who sets the rules we live by. I'm pretty sure the anti-jew tweets don't come from genuine negative feelings towards jewish people. Again, like the white lives matter shirts, he just wants to say something that you're "not supposed to say". The idea is this: we learn something along the lines of "don't say these particular things or else..." and Ye is trynna find out "or else what?"

    In other words, he's trying to directly confront societal norms. The end goal here is to figure out who sets these norms and who enforces these norms. Societal norms will always benefit some people more than others; it isn't completely unreasonable to think that those with the power to affect social norms would use that power to mold said norms to their benefit. If one assumes this to be the case, the next questions that must be asked are "who are these people who are molding society?", "what is their goal?", and "how are they going about accomplishing that goal?"

    The reason I am bringing up Taoism is because of Kanye's approach to answering these questions. He isn't sitting in a library doing research, he's using his own words and life to conjure an answer. Zhaung Zi, one of the foundational figures of taoist philosophy, introduces the concept of using words like a fish trap. When you use a fish trap, you put it in the river, catch the fish, and then you have no need for the trap anymore. Consider the make of the trap; how it's put together doesn't matter as long as you catch the fish you want. In the same way, the specific words you use (the trap) don't really matter, as long as they let the listener catch the true meaning (the fish). Scholars refer to this way of speaking as "goblet words". the specific words themselves are empty to the one speaking; they are designed to be filled by the listener, like a goblet.

    Kanye is using "goblet words". I'm pretty sure the controversial s*** he's saying isn't actually reflective of what he personally believes, he's just using that as a tool to get a certain reaction, to sort of "poke the beast" in order to see its face.

    yes. long post. too long for you? don't read then lol

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    I wish you put more effort in school u coulda went places

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    Mitch Baker

    I wish you put more effort in school u coulda went places

    im in college rn, honors program, all As

    dont worry bout me, im fine

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    Let's go through his recent controversies.

    The white lives matter thing was Demna inspo, the point is to get people talking about his fashion show. Demna been doing the same s*** for years now, putting deliberately controversial pieces in his shows to drum up publicity. I'd wager that Ye really doesn't care about white lives matter very much at all, in the sense that he's not really for or against what they stand for. I'm pretty sure he's much more interested in the "taboo" nature of the phrase.

    The wylin on twitter is Ye trying to figure out who sets the rules we live by. I'm pretty sure the anti-jew tweets don't come from genuine negative feelings towards jewish people. Again, like the white lives matter shirts, he just wants to say something that you're "not supposed to say". The idea is this: we learn something along the lines of "don't say these particular things or else..." and Ye is trynna find out "or else what?"

    In other words, he's trying to directly confront societal norms. The end goal here is to figure out who sets these norms and who enforces these norms. Societal norms will always benefit some people more than others; it isn't completely unreasonable to think that those with the power to affect social norms would use that power to mold said norms to their benefit. If one assumes this to be the case, the next questions that must be asked are "who are these people who are molding society?", "what is their goal?", and "how are they going about accomplishing that goal?"

    The reason I am bringing up Taoism is because of Kanye's approach to answering these questions. He isn't sitting in a library doing research, he's using his own words and life to conjure an answer. Zhaung Zi, one of the foundational figures of taoist philosophy, introduces the concept of using words like a fish trap. When you use a fish trap, you put it in the river, catch the fish, and then you have no need for the trap anymore. Consider the make of the trap; how it's put together doesn't matter as long as you catch the fish you want. In the same way, the specific words you use (the trap) don't really matter, as long as they let the listener catch the true meaning (the fish). Scholars refer to this way of speaking as "goblet words". the specific words themselves are empty to the one speaking; they are designed to be filled by the listener, like a goblet.

    Kanye is using "goblet words". I'm pretty sure the controversial s*** he's saying isn't actually reflective of what he personally believes, he's just using that as a tool to get a certain reaction, to sort of "poke the beast" in order to see its face.

    yes. long post. too long for you? don't read then lol

  • Oct 18, 2022
    fashion killa

    im in college rn, honors program, all As

    dont worry bout me, im fine

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    Think I'm ready to leave ktt

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    fiveprestos

    Think I'm ready to leave ktt

    It’s just getting started, the next 10 years will be the icing

  • Oct 18, 2022
    sun in my eyes

    It’s just getting started, the next 10 years will be the icing

    Tomorrow gunna be 9 years for me

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    Kanye basically has reached the top of fashion he’s look for his next pivot just as he had fashion on his mind since CD- Graduation

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    fiveprestos

    Think I'm ready to leave ktt

    Stick to COMMUNISM THREAD

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    W thread

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    “Who sets the societal norms that you can’t discriminate against people based solely on their race/ethnicity?” is not a compelling philosophical question to answer in the 21st century, especially when the converse of the question is still prevalent in society for basically every marginalized group.

    Who says you can’t push a random stroller on the street in front of a car? 🤔 like who set that societal norm 🤔 I’m gon find out type s***

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    Blanquito Mierda

    “Who sets the societal norms that you can’t discriminate against people based solely on their race/ethnicity?” is not a compelling philosophical question to answer in the 21st century, especially when the converse of the question is still prevalent in society for basically every marginalized group.

    Who says you can’t push a random stroller on the street in front of a car? 🤔 like who set that societal norm 🤔 I’m gon find out type s***

    This holy f***, it’s infuriating to watch this behavior from Ye and even more infuriating to know that he’s not even close to the only person thinking this way. He’s just got the power and wealth to do actual damage

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    Blanquito Mierda

    “Who sets the societal norms that you can’t discriminate against people based solely on their race/ethnicity?” is not a compelling philosophical question to answer in the 21st century, especially when the converse of the question is still prevalent in society for basically every marginalized group.

    Who says you can’t push a random stroller on the street in front of a car? 🤔 like who set that societal norm 🤔 I’m gon find out type s***

    yes.

    if I could tell Kanye one thing, it would be that he shouldn't assume there's a particular person or group of people controlling societal change. Most of the time, change just happens.

    He won't find an answer to those questions he's asking, because there is no answer. They're questions that are based on a faulty assumption.

    he's thinking this: "if I piss off the people behind the scenes, I wonder what will happen" and so he goes around saying things you're "not supposed to". Actually, there's no mystery here. If you piss people off, they will get upset. But that's not a super satisfying answer.

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    Halo Reach (2010)

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    yes.

    if I could tell Kanye one thing, it would be that he shouldn't assume there's a particular person or group of people controlling societal change. Most of the time, change just happens.

    He won't find an answer to those questions he's asking, because there is no answer. They're questions that are based on a faulty assumption.

    he's thinking this: "if I piss off the people behind the scenes, I wonder what will happen" and so he goes around saying things you're "not supposed to". Actually, there's no mystery here. If you piss people off, they will get upset. But that's not a super satisfying answer.

    Activists and thought leaders have given their blood, sweat, tears and sometimes even lives to get our society to the admittedly far-from-perfect place we are today. Ye is essentially taking a dump on everything by saying “Y’all know why I’m being held accountable for shouting discrimination from the rooftops? THE JEWS.” Ye has the following, platform, and money to guide society forward but right now he’s choosing to try to set it back instead. It’s sad as f***. Like this man is someone I’ve looked up to since I was a kid. It’s just heartbreaking.

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    He running around like he a Taoist

  • fr might be one of the dumbest threads ever made on this site

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    fiveprestos

    Think I'm ready to leave ktt

  • Oct 18, 2022
    Blanquito Mierda

    Activists and thought leaders have given their blood, sweat, tears and sometimes even lives to get our society to the admittedly far-from-perfect place we are today. Ye is essentially taking a dump on everything by saying “Y’all know why I’m being held accountable for shouting discrimination from the rooftops? THE JEWS.” Ye has the following, platform, and money to guide society forward but right now he’s choosing to try to set it back instead. It’s sad as f***. Like this man is someone I’ve looked up to since I was a kid. It’s just heartbreaking.

    you overstimate Kanye's impact

    first off, society doesn't "move backwards" or "move forwards". There is no objective directionality to societal change outside of Time, and we definitely aren't traveling backwards in that sense. Really, society just changes.

    He's not moving anything forward or backward, and I doubt he's even changing much at all. Nobody's mind is changed by Kanye tweets. Either u agreed already or disagreed already.

    By acting like Kanye has this great influence over how the general population thinks, you are making the same mistake as he is!

  • Oct 18, 2022
    fashion killa

    im in college rn, honors program, all As

    dont worry bout me, im fine

    Nerd 😂😂

  • Oct 18, 2022

    Dangerous levels of reaching and copium.

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    Bro said Tao

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    performance art fr

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