But if you were a real fan you would already know that....

We all know Kanye works with a Buncha great people to make great product

Congratulations.

"Which made me think how many songs where he is credited as the 'producer' and he ends up doing nothing for the beat."

There's beats on Kanye albums that sound like Kanye beats but it turns out he didn't do them.

And guess what. He solo credits the person who actually did it.

Example: Touch the sky
Devil in a new dress

So if Kanye does credit himself then he obviously did something.

Yea, prolly like, "hey, turn that bass up"
--> credits himself.

Do you really thing Ye did anything significant for this?

Same s*** with how Bey gets credits as a songwriter but multiple stories saying how she just changes some words here and there to get the credit.

yeah but I think you're underestimating how many of the other greats do this too

suggestion?

u hadn't heard it before??

I'm sorry I haven't heard every Kanye produced song in history.

overnight celebrity isn't a deep cut, that's one of his most well known beats

i swear niggas gotta start doing their homework before making threads like these. there's no reason for u to be speaking on ye's prod skills like an authority if u haven't even heard his most surface level stuff

dumbest f***ing post all year

Isn´t he only listened as an "addidtional Producer" on this ?

Can’t be overhyped when he produced this

I've listened to most of his production discography, obv I missed some.
Keep crying grandpa.

If yall put your pitchforks down for one sec you’ll see op is kinda (badly) making a point, it’s just not articulated correctly.

I think what op is trying to say is more about how we attribute the quality of the end product exclusively to the artist (Kanye) just because we are aware it is their role or that they are part of the process (in this case as a producer). This is natural and the same thing happens in the film industry with directors. But the realisation of the product is not down to the artist/director alone, it’s more about how well the team realises the artists vision.

But if we are talking about a producer as a standalone role that is an entire different judgement. That is separate from the vision/artist. As a stand-alone role Kanye was a great producer up around 2004-2005, then after that he’s switched his role to become a visionary/artist that can communicate what he wants to a team and assist in production when needed. Yes the output from both roles was amazing, but the roles themselves shouldn’t be assumed or judged to be the same; one is a solo role, the other is a collaboration between many talented people to realise the vision of an artist.

So while I dont agree with Kanye being overhyped as a producer, I think people should stop thinking about Kanye as a traditional producer after 2004-2005 because it’s an entirely different role more closely resembling a film director then a regular rap producer.

As I said to op you would already know this if you followed ye's career.

Totally but the I think question is why does everyone always respond with examples of his genius post 2004-2005 (which we all know it’s mostly down to his vision/directing/artistry) when talking about regular rap production as a standalone role? Again it doesn’t make him overhyped but it does highlight how he doesn’t approach things like traditional producer would since 2004-2005.

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His production might be the only thing Kanye's not overrated for lol. Few producers create everything themselves, but his solo beatmaking from the late 90s to the Late Registration era is stacked with classics. Tbf it was more common for people to produce on their own in that era, but Kanye had no trouble producing classics on his own.

Being able to produce on his own is really what got him where he is, that's what got him access to labels and the co-writers he used on his early albums.

This is by far one of the worst takes I've seen on KTT by far

who cares about this beat?

It's 90s-2005 era production that made Ye a legend. The beat making after that is a lot less. In the 2010s, it's a few on Daytona, one for Rick Ross, Otis.

but none of that undoes the work he did in the first part of his career

hiphopdx.com/news/id.11355/title.s1-explains-co-producing-kanye-wests-power

I feel like this pretty much sums up how Kanye is not necessarily The Beatmaker but the guy who can take take a Beat to push it to the max level

He locked himself in a room for 3 summers

any audiophiles in here actually gonna agree?