Jul 19, 2020·edited·1 reply
KalamariFromParty1. Why is that, every time I bring up something that is possible to be done, you claim that I am claiming it can EASILY be done when I LITERALLY never said it was easy...? Lord. Stop doing that. No one said it will be easy. It's just simple, possible, and sort of inevitable. That doesn't mean it will be easy. There are millions of conceptual things that are simple, possible and sort of inevitable that aren't easy. It's only a matter of who (Americans vs other countries) and how long (hundreds of years or thousands)...
2. Yes, you are sort of right but also wrong. It will get to a point where, being paid 100k yearly is seen as "terrible wages" &. & no, I don't mean due to inflation. I mean 100k worth of 2020 dollars adjusted for inflation to whatever years this phenomenon starts becoming widespread... People will be complaining about those wages bc trillionaires will start to become a thing and everyone will demonize them and the cycle will repeat. And ppl will talk about the rich getting richer blah blah blah. Very similar to how we are right now. But just bc people are complaining about terrible wages doesn't mean the wages are actually terrible. Realistically, no, they will not be terrible and the work will always be able to pay people handsomely bc we will start traveling to different planets and all of the problems / opportunities that arise from that will create entirely new industries and markets that pay out a lot of money. That isn't even mentioning the value that will come from engineers uplifting the rest of the world out of poverty. When every nation on earth right now that is severely underdeveloped looks like how the United States or other first world countries look right now, those countries will still be seen as poor bc of how far behind they are compared to the top ones. But there will be a lot of money made for the engineers that develop 3rd world countries into modern ones. I'm using the term engineer broadly purposely to cover many different areas of development
3. Yes, AI will take over those jobs too eventually. By the time that happens, everyone will already be significantly "rich". But how do we move forward... I really don't know for sure and there's no accurate way to predict that bc it is so far out in the future. The hope, though, is that we will all turn the economic machine by monetizing the part of ourselves that is completely unique to us. So we will all be artists, philosophers, and entertainers. But on a major scale, like people will travel to different planets and document their journey and review their stay and put it on YouTube. Costly to do, and really no actual value in it, but it will make a lot of money anyways. You see that happening today already as well. Same with making music and going to concerts. We will all be so rich already by that point though that everyone's basic needs, and a lot more, are taken care of. Either by self sustained ways empowered by technology easily accessible to everyone, by some governmental entity (or entities), or by the trading and bartering of goods / services in a completely free market. Or some combination of all 3
fam this is basic economics.
if I have a pool of millions of workers who are forced to choose between engineering or starvation (very simplified example but bear with me) ... companies have free reign to lower wages because if one person won't work for scraps, another person on the brink of starvation will.
the reason that those jobs are high paying right now is because there is an incredible demand for AI PhDs (as an example), and very small supply.
in an unregulated economic system centered around scarcity, it is impossible for literally EVERYONE to occupy a small handful of sectors and still get compensated with high wages. this is non negotiable.
- Jul 19, 2020·1 replycoltrup
fam this is basic economics.
if I have a pool of millions of workers who are forced to choose between engineering or starvation (very simplified example but bear with me) ... companies have free reign to lower wages because if one person won't work for scraps, another person on the brink of starvation will.
the reason that those jobs are high paying right now is because there is an incredible demand for AI PhDs (as an example), and very small supply.
in an unregulated economic system centered around scarcity, it is impossible for literally EVERYONE to occupy a small handful of sectors and still get compensated with high wages. this is non negotiable.
The same way American companies employ Americans now, is the way that those regular American workers can start employing people from other countries to work for them
And "high wages" is a vague way of describing wages. If I make an only fans and sell my subscription for $100 a month, am I getting paid a high wage? Well if I only have 10 subscribers then definitely not. But if I have 1000 subscribers am I now getting a high wage? This is why I said everyone will eventually become artists, philosophers, and entertainers. Bc those things have some type of value that can not have a dollar value put on them. Some people will pay 10k to go to a concert, others wouldn't go even if you paid them to go.
So yea eventually we will run out of jobs for people to do but that is so hundreds if not thousands of years down the line that it don't matter. People today can become engineers, or even entertainers as well tbh, and start making higher wages. The world is a big enough place to be able to pay all of us very handsomely for that type of work, bc on a global level... The demand far far far out reaches the supply. It's just a matter of who, what, what, when, why etc is that supply going to be filled
300 million / 7 billion is a minority
- Jul 19, 2020KalamariFromParty
What makes you think everyone can't open a business out of thin air? Can everyone make a Facebook account out of thin air? Or an Instagram? What makes you say "out of thin air" anyways, as if I said or even implied that this would happen over night? It's a process. A process of changing the way people think so that everyone does start thinking that they CAN create a business out of thin air
And when they start believing that is when it will start happening
The USA is already the richest country in the world. The poor people in USA are rich by other countries standards. The USA is literally just going to become a country full of people exploiting the rest of the world to make money instead of what we currently have, which is a mix of some of us exploiting each other and some of us exploiting other parts of the world
Of course anyone can create a business, but few people can make one survive / thrive.
There’s no way education would fix this - it might help but people are fundamentally wired differently, with different skill sets and different ways of thinking, Entrepreneurship only suits some people.
Also if everyone started a business how would any of these businesses succeed? No business would be able to expand to the point of having employees because everyone would just be working for themselves, significantly limiting the scope of what these businesses could do.
Technological advances could open some new doors in the future, but fundamentally most of these people would be in a narrow scope of sole trader businesses (plumbers, electricians etc). If absolutely everyone was doing this there would be so much competition most of the businesses wouldn’t be viable.
As a final point, the whole idea of “working for yourself is the only means of freedom” is super flawed. It’s ideal for some people, but it can bring more stress, more responsibility, more liability and significantly more work for potentially not much more gain.
Personally i’m employed, have a decent wage with a good employer who is incredibly flexible, offers a career for life, allows me to move anywhere in the country to work for them, strongly encourages career development and provides a great pension. My country deducts tax at source from employees, so i never have to worry about my financial affairs - i literally just turn up and do a job i enjoy and then get paid for it every month. Would absolutely never want to be self employed
Jul 19, 2020
Jul 19, 2020·1 replyKalamariFromPartyThe same way American companies employ Americans now, is the way that those regular American workers can start employing people from other countries to work for them
And "high wages" is a vague way of describing wages. If I make an only fans and sell my subscription for $100 a month, am I getting paid a high wage? Well if I only have 10 subscribers then definitely not. But if I have 1000 subscribers am I now getting a high wage? This is why I said everyone will eventually become artists, philosophers, and entertainers. Bc those things have some type of value that can not have a dollar value put on them. Some people will pay 10k to go to a concert, others wouldn't go even if you paid them to go.
So yea eventually we will run out of jobs for people to do but that is so hundreds if not thousands of years down the line that it don't matter. People today can become engineers, or even entertainers as well tbh, and start making higher wages. The world is a big enough place to be able to pay all of us very handsomely for that type of work, bc on a global level... The demand far far far out reaches the supply. It's just a matter of who, what, what, when, why etc is that supply going to be filled
300 million / 7 billion is a minority
So instead of exploiting workers in America all the Americans can become business owners (lmaooo) and exploit global south workers
- Jul 19, 2020
Oblivion XSad to say it but I really want him to fail this year, he's not ready, in 4 years tho
He’s not running he’s walking
- Jul 19, 2020ThemCLBniggasweak
Nobody. Im from Harlem.
Politics have no reach over here
My brother please do not vote for Joe f***ing Biden. You already have DiBlasio to deal with you don’t need a DiBlasio enabler in the White House
- Jul 19, 2020
Ye bout to be the youngest president since Kennedy
- Jul 19, 2020·1 replySynopsis
So instead of exploiting workers in America all the Americans can become business owners (lmaooo) and exploit global south workers
Yes...
- Jul 19, 2020·1 replyKalamariFromParty
Yes...
lmfao go somewhere
- Jul 19, 2020·1 replySynopsis
lmfao go somewhere
Is that not realistic? I believe that's very possible and likely to happen
If you want to talk about the morality of it that's a different convo but I don't get where you stand on this in terms of if you agree it's a possibility. I imagine you think it's immoral
- Jul 19, 2020·1 replyKalamariFromParty
Is that not realistic? I believe that's very possible and likely to happen
If you want to talk about the morality of it that's a different convo but I don't get where you stand on this in terms of if you agree it's a possibility. I imagine you think it's immoral
obviously its immoral but also unrealistic.
- Jul 19, 2020·1 replySynopsis
obviously its immoral but also unrealistic.
What makes you say it's unrealistic? It's already happening on large scale and small scale
- Jul 19, 2020·1 replyKalamariFromParty
What makes you say it's unrealistic? It's already happening on large scale and small scale
because global south workers live in the global south lmao
- Jul 19, 2020Synopsis
because global south workers live in the global south lmao
The internet exists... I don't know where you are right now but you aren't near me. I could pay you on cash app or PayPal or whatever to do a job for me. I can hire you remotely