"we" as in the people voting in politicans that work to end these loopholes? what is your other solution, to just give up on trying to produce change since all politicians benefit from super pacs?

what is your other alternative? not everyone can make a business out of thin air, and its just idiotic to allow these loopholes to stay open

lol so when greeted with the realization that people are working harder and coming out with less, you pivot to "well they're just not working smart enough".

it is not feasible for every kid born into a life of poverty, and the struggles/trauma that comes with it, to come up with the next facebook.

in fact, you'll find that many founders and leading entrepreneurs were born into wealth and the high-level tutors and schooling that came with it.

instead of relying on genius innovation to bring each household out of poverty, why not just give them healthcare and a livable wage?

The same way you say that he could influence his supporters actions, I could just as easily say that no he couldn't

Bc his supporters already believe what they believe. If he says something that goes against what they believe, they aren't going to start believing that. They're just gonna say that Trump is a democratic shill now and all that s***. If they believe in an ideology, just bc the face of their ideology tries to steer them somewhere else doesn't mean that's where they're gonna go. They're just gonna stop following him, keep believing what they believe, and declare a new face for their ideology

That's pretty extreme but just playing devils advocate. Yes you are completely right Trump definitely has a lot of blame in this since he's supposed to be leading us, actually

You literally asked me

What if everyone did this

If everyone started doing it, then it'll get patched. No one will be able to do it anymore

in fact, your whole "solution" to poverty is fundamentally flawed because automation will remove millions of jobs from the labour market.

it will NOT be possible for every person in this country to work a job that is both needed and ahead of the curve, that is both relevant and high-paying.

eventually band aids will have to be slapped onto the system, whether you like it or not

last part lol

literally not everyone can start a business. like literally impossible. thats where the line of thinking of ppl like him fails

you are putting way too much stock into how a trump supporter thinks

im telling you, they are completely delusional. if trump hadnt said s*** like what i posted originally, or s*** like this

the response from trump supporters would have been way different. their beliefs come from the top down

What makes you think everyone can't open a business out of thin air? Can everyone make a Facebook account out of thin air? Or an Instagram? What makes you say "out of thin air" anyways, as if I said or even implied that this would happen over night? It's a process. A process of changing the way people think so that everyone does start thinking that they CAN create a business out of thin air

And when they start believing that is when it will start happening

The USA is already the richest country in the world. The poor people in USA are rich by other countries standards. The USA is literally just going to become a country full of people exploiting the rest of the world to make money instead of what we currently have, which is a mix of some of us exploiting each other and some of us exploiting other parts of the world

No... You are putting too much stock into Trump and not realizing that all his supporters would've posted the same youtube tier comments on their Facebook regardless of whether he said that or not
But like I said, yea I agree with you, he's definitely adding fire to the flame

if you say so ig

bro come the f*** on, it is literally not feasible for even a majority of people living in poverty to come up with the resources necessary to build a business from the ground up. if you have any data refuting that, i would be more than willing to change my mind

Not impossible you're just dumb and don't look at the bigger picture. Please explain how it's literally impossible?

There are 7 billion people in the world

You don't think 300 million of them are business owners / people making money in a way that they aren't complaining about their living conditions?
Our technological advancements are allowing for more and more of us Americans to be the ones that occupy that 300 million / 7 billion

China and Japan are definitely doing this too, though, amongst a slew of other countries. So we gotta get a move on or we're gonna get left behind. I think we will pull out on top though :)

Go look up who the top youtubers are and where their views are coming from

You are literally typing that message on a device connected to the internet. A smartphone, a laptop / tablet, or desktop computer. Maybe you aren't apart of the majority of people in poverty but the majority of people in poverty have those same things that you do.
A laptop and the internet, two resources that could completely change your life and has made millions of people millions of dollars.

A laptop and the internet, though, are useless if you don't know what to do with them. If I give a laptop and the internet to a dolphin, that dolphin ass nigga can't go create a Shopify store and start selling merchandise bc that nigga doesn't have fingers to even Google anything. And the same goes for people in poverty.. These resources are useless if they aren't educated on how they could use these resources to change their lives for the better. But yes it they are undoubtedly resources that can bring you out of poverty. Do I need to go find statistics about how many businesses use the internet for you to believe that? Or do I need to go see how many apps there are on the iOS app store?

i just realized you're just using the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" meme unironically so ill dead the argument here and say i agree

You are literally proving my point.

Automation is going to remove millions of jobs from the labour market. If everyone knows this, why aren't people going to learn about how to automate things instead of continually working their labor job without also at the same time working to replace their job?

Automation is going to remove millions of jobs but there are going to be hundreds of thousands of workers working on that automation technology in order to replace those other workers. And they will be paid handsomely.
And yes... EVERYONE can become a part of the group of people developing automation. And by everyone, I mean US citizens. Can everyone in the world do it? No. But can 300 million of the richest people in the world with the easiest access to the resources that would empower you to do it, do it? Yes

I don't think we all should, though, either. People will go more into the arts / entertainment business as well as we continue to develop and that's perfectly fine and sustainable as well

But yes you are right we will need some band aids along the way. I think we should start to implement some type of universal basic income system so that people can get money to empower themselves to not only live, but also to start businesses and start figuring out how to monetize their intrinsic human value

Trump has definitely pressured some states to open up early, so yes he does play a role in all of this.

It doesnt work like that lol presidential terms arent black and white where its a start and stop button when a new president comes in office, aftermath of their predecessors are felt in their presidency. Trump inherited the benefits of obama presidency, so he can't really attribute the unemployment thing to him, u can attribute that it didnt go down, which ir actually did,.

If biden wins, then biden will inherit whatever trump left, and how biden deals with that will define his presidency

I mean sure u can say that, but u can probably list all the postive and negatives and see which sides outweighs the other, and the negatives are going to win

Lol nah. Before Corona, the country was in great shape

1. the assumption that any kid trapped in a poor community/household can easily become an AI engineer is being called into question.

2. wages, at least in theory, are influenced by labour supply. a world of millions of AI engineers is also a world where AI engineers are paid terrible wages ... and we're back where we started.

3. the logical conclusion of automation is the creation of artificial intelligence that removes the need for "workers working on that automation technology". assuming society survives long enough, the removal of the need for labour is a near certainty ... what then?

Great shape ? America has not been this divided and fuel with blatant racial tension in a while

International relationships have deteriorated

Climate control was handle poorly

1. Why is that, every time I bring up something that is possible to be done, you claim that I am claiming it can EASILY be done when I LITERALLY never said it was easy...? Lord. Stop doing that. No one said it will be easy. It's just simple, possible, and sort of inevitable. That doesn't mean it will be easy. There are millions of conceptual things that are simple, possible and sort of inevitable that aren't easy. It's only a matter of who (Americans vs other countries) and how long (hundreds of years or thousands)...

2. Yes, you are sort of right but also wrong. It will get to a point where, being paid 100k yearly is seen as "terrible wages" &. & no, I don't mean due to inflation. I mean 100k worth of 2020 dollars adjusted for inflation to whatever years this phenomenon starts becoming widespread... People will be complaining about those wages bc trillionaires will start to become a thing and everyone will demonize them and the cycle will repeat. And ppl will talk about the rich getting richer blah blah blah. Very similar to how we are right now. But just bc people are complaining about terrible wages doesn't mean the wages are actually terrible. Realistically, no, they will not be terrible and the work will always be able to pay people handsomely bc we will start traveling to different planets and all of the problems / opportunities that arise from that will create entirely new industries and markets that pay out a lot of money. That isn't even mentioning the value that will come from engineers uplifting the rest of the world out of poverty. When every nation on earth right now that is severely underdeveloped looks like how the United States or other first world countries look right now, those countries will still be seen as poor bc of how far behind they are compared to the top ones. But there will be a lot of money made for the engineers that develop 3rd world countries into modern ones. I'm using the term engineer broadly purposely to cover many different areas of development

3. Yes, AI will take over those jobs too eventually. By the time that happens, everyone will already be significantly "rich". But how do we move forward... I really don't know for sure and there's no accurate way to predict that bc it is so far out in the future. The hope, though, is that we will all turn the economic machine by monetizing the part of ourselves that is completely unique to us. So we will all be artists, philosophers, and entertainers. But on a major scale, like people will travel to different planets and document their journey and review their stay and put it on YouTube. Costly to do, and really no actual value in it, but it will make a lot of money anyways. You see that happening today already as well. Same with making music and going to concerts. We will all be so rich already by that point though that everyone's basic needs, and a lot more, are taken care of. Either by self sustained ways empowered by technology easily accessible to everyone, by some governmental entity (or entities), or by the trading and bartering of goods / services in a completely free market. Or some combination of all 3

Those first 2 things you said.. Happened during Corona

Also... Just bc all this is possible doesn't mean this will happen. That type of future will never happen if people don't work to make it happen. Well, I mean this sort of future is somewhat inevitable unless major catastrophes happen. And even then, it may not be very liberal at all. Maybe only the super rich get to enjoy all of these things and poor people will continue to just empower rich people to do that s***. Maybe millions or billions of people are killed off in some type of population control measures.. Idk. But yea this is going to happen for some people definitely if we don't get hit by meteors or destroy ourselves with nukes, etc etc etc

You can become rich by making other people rich. Apple became a rich company by enriching the lives of all its customers. Same for Google. Amazon. Tesla.
Universities gladly give out loans of 20k+ yearly to students to learn about bullshit, when we should be giving those loans out to people to go to different countries and help develop those countries technologically. Amongst a myriad of literally thousands of other things that the money could better be used for

A university will give you loans for 4 years and even defer the interest until you graduate bc they know you aren't going to be getting a "real job" that will be able to start making payments on the loans until you graduate... Imagine if we all got business loans and were given 4 years of trial and error to get some type of profitable business(es) running... S*** would be so much better. And having a business of your own doesn't mean you're going to be rich or wealthy either. Your business may only make you 10-15k a year and you still have to work hours of a "regular job" outside of your business to make a liveable wage with both incomes but that is so so so much better than nothing