Bro i didnt say WTT wasnt a big factor in Hov’s career, why do yall make up arguments outta thin air?

I said Jay Z career didn’t need to be saved, I didn’t say Kanye didnt help Jay Z or WTT wasnt a big album. I also never even said Jay Z was bigger than Kanye

I said Jay Z career didnt need to be saved because it didn’t and I said WTT wasnt one of Jay Z’s best first weeks because it literally wasnt

All this other s*** yall tryna argue yall are literally putting words in my mouth.

If you wanna say Kanye helped Jay Z? Yes I agree

If you wanna say Kanye was bigger than Jay Z? Yes I agree

If you say Kanye saved Jay Z career or WTT numbers was one of Jay Z’s biggest first weeks then no I dont agree because thats not true

If WTT was announced in 2008, do you think it gets the same hype?

@KillaCam305 wassup bro?

Explain to me how WTT first week numbers was some of the biggest of Jays career

I can admit I had a bit of a hyperbole, but the fact remains it was the worst of Ye's career including 808s.

Either bait or the guy who wrote it hasn't developed object permanence

You keep bringing up Kanye when I said multiple times I never said Jay Z was bigger than Kanye

That doesn’t mean Jay Z wasn’t a factor lol. WTT numbers was actually what Jay Z usually sold he has 3-4 other albums that sold less than WTT by 10-20k so most of his albums did the 400k range regardless. Jay Z was a factor and his career didnt need saving, lets just speak fact over hyperbole

lol yall taking me back man. what a time

You right, and WTT was supposed to do more with a deal from Sprint I believe, but billboard ended up axing that deal. They were trying to bundle before bundles

Yes absolutely

Kanye was on a crazy 3 album run and Jay is a certified legend with classics

Would’ve been just as big

Gotta ban twitter threads man

i always liked bp3 tbh even as a kid, never got the hate

I didn't know people didn't like that album until I got on ktt

The hate got worse with time too

Im telling people that album was literally a smash in real time, nobody looked at it like Jay Z’s career was in trouble that was one of his most successful eras 07-11 was actually a very good time for Jay

Kanye helped in that for sure but not saved

Also why do people get mad that he benefited from Ye and Rih, like why wouldnt he? He signed them

They wanted to do songs with him too

Nobody ever says this about Wayne with Drake and Nicki but its the same thing lol

Also one last thing

People really overdo the Jay didnt want Kanye only Dame did thing

Jay didnt wanna sign Kanye into a deal as a rapper where he only cared about his beats, Dame did exactly that. He said it himself he only signed him as a rapper so he could keep getting beats

I would understand if Jay didnt come around to Kanye as a rapper until CD was already a success and started working with him on LR but Jay let Kanye rap on BP1 and 2 before he ever had an album out and featured on College Dropout. I feel like people exaggerate how non supportive Jay was on Ye was a rapper he got on board pretty quickly

This post is like the perfect example of that Twitter meme about waffles.

MCHG, the r Kelly albums

I guess I’m not even saying the discography is bad it’s just not to a level of somebody like say Kendrick’s but I think if you take Jay’s best work it’s right there

If that makes sense

At least that’s my opinion on it

I’ve listened to everything besides kingdom come, American gangster, bp3 and the dynasty

Kanye has 5 with bonuses

I actually get what you mean

But out of respect to a real opinions, what should I relisten / listen to from Jay?

Thinking vol 1, dynasty, AG, BP3

For reference RD, BP1, and 4:44 are 3 of my favorite rap albums oat but black album prod doesn’t do it for me

Only song I really remember from vol 1 is the intro and the too short one

I need to listen to the grey album cause ion like the white album or black albums

such a weird narrative. Like everything it's just too much hyperbole in either direction. Did the hits kanye made for jay help jay's career? Yes - hits help every artist's career.

Did Kanye save Jay-Z from toil and obscurity with wtt? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Jay was a trusted brand. I actually didn't even know they were that connected when BP3 came out

the argument of Eminem dangering Jay's career because he had a better verse than him is dumb, let's not forget The Blueprint was a success

and he saved Common's career as well.

But to say Kanye saved Jay-Z is some bullshit