Prior to My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy high class, high budget, extravagantly produced luxury rap did not exist and it has really only been attempted twice after with Watch the Throne and with MCHG.

MBDTF is the sonic equivalent of a James Cameron movie. No other Hip-Hop album with the exception of WTT can say this.

Even his a***ysis that POWER was a safe non progressive sounding single is incorrect. It was safe in the sense that it was a perfect sounding song that anyone had to be crazy not to like but the idea that there were hundreds of other songs that sound like it prior to its release is once again simply incorrect. POWER is a personification of everything that I just said makes MBDTF different. A simple look at the personnel on the track and the instruments used proves how different the song is from anything else in Hip Hop.

The way Ye begins the song like a king processing into a conquered village, the beat drop, the way the guitars are arranged, the piano breakdown, and the outro are all things that are definitively unique and the fact that Kanye rejects that idea is just flat out wrong.

I think that Kanye has grown to resent MBDTF because all of the rest of his work has repeatedly been compared to it and people try to hold him to that standard on everything and as a result he dismisses the album to convince himself that everything else he's done is as good or better when in reality it is truly his magnum opus that he won't be able to touch or recreate in any creative channel ever again (which is okay, it's perfect).

Also one more note before leaving: Diamonds, Can't Tell Me Nothin, and Real Friends were all significantly 'safer' lead singles based on what the rest of music was doing and expectations on Kanye.

MBDTF is a masterpiece that no one did before or will ever come close to.

idc what Kanye says. It pushes boundaries, wasn’t safe and pushed Kanye into greatest artists of all time status.

Don't remember him saying it wasn't progressive. I thought it was more about how he was appeasing critics with the album

Ye said POWER wasn't progressive.

i think ppl r exaggerating this "kanye sez ___ bout mbdtf!" s***

his nyt interview states re: mbdtf that "It’s always going to be 80 percent, at least, what I want to give, and 20 percent fulfilling a perception", and the gq interview re: power has him saying that "I always do the songs that people never heard before. But you had actually heard 'Power' before."

those are the essences of his points about the album n about power as a single. he isn't flat out saying "haha baited y'all! all the excitement u got from that s*** was illegitimate!"

Havent read op yet but i agree with the title

He acts like it was just a combo of his previous 4 but in relaity it is a lot more and pushes the concept of what a hip hop album was and could be at the time and i feel like he forgets that when comparing it too 808s and yeezus

He also took the tracks a lot further than he ever had before and blended sounds so you didnt even know what genre it is for example songs like runaway or diand arent traditional hip hop or anything really its just KANYE music. I heard drake express a similar sentiment towards his own tracks connect which i think is a good way of showing how that was influential

Wholeheartedly agree with all this. Nice post OP

but it was

when did he resent MBDTF??? he literally said he showed the world that he could create perfect. am i missing something?

You’re not missing a damn thing... it’s pointless banter

True

You said very little about the actual music.

OP MBDTF is culturally impactful but the music didn't necessarily challenge anyone the way his other albums did.

Runaway could've easily been on Freshman Adjustment.

aight post but you missed his point op.

th issue is that you have a metric for what counts as a "good" album.

that metric is at least PARTLY decided by what critics say is good, what the music scene sounds like at that time, etc

so sure its "perfect" ... according to YOUR traditional understanding of perfect.

its not that yeezus is trash and dark fantasy is a masterpiece ...

yeezus is excellent in ways that dont even apply to mbdtf

thats what ye was trying to say. both albums arguably classics but one appealed to the TRADITIONAL perspective on what a 10 is ... thats why white hacks like pitchfork gave it a 10

kanye only saying that so that people don’t expect anything else like that from him
lazy hours

U cannot be serious w this statement

Exactly, it's paraphrasing of sorts

Yeah I understand but a 10 is a 10 is a 10 at the end of the day

Dam

no