Jul 31, 2023
MidzyKids pay $10 for unlimited background music to listen to while playing Fortnite, they'll listen to whatever the algo feeds them with.
https://twitter.com/jetsonbumps/status/1412364189935407104
the music industry was always pay to win
Jul 31, 2023·edited·1 reply
mangotfluthis is extremely biased towards white popstars though no? Look at videos of Ed Sheeran (especially him, considering his music isn't that popular anymore) and Taylor Swift concerts. They're family affairs, people literally take their whole ass families. it's very common for 10 year old kids to go and 60 year old grandparents
meanwhile you rarely ever see families at Drake/Lil Baby/Travis type concerts
Also I don't see how it doesn't lie considering Ed Sheeran is selling out whole ass stadiums in the US with ease right now meanwhile his last album completely flopped
S*** I'd be willing to bet that BTS could sell out a bigger tour in the US than Drake and The Weeknd right now. There's no way you'd argue BTS are bigger than Drake/THe Weeknd surely
Why aren't streams a better metric? I think the best way to tell the size of an artist is to check their first day streams, that measures the pure hype and excitement. But I think we probably need to separate an artist's actual popularity with their music's popularity. Some artists (BTS, One Direction, Harry Styles) type will always be more popular just cause of how they are vs someone like Lil Baby
1. It’s not biased towards white popstars. There are only eight active artists right now who have pulled off a successful global stadium tour in recent years, and three of them are POC: Weeknd, Beyonce, and Bad Bunny. Also, Karol G is about to embark on her first ever stadium tour, so that brings the total to 4/9.
2. Streams can lie because, for one, they can be easily manipulated. We’ve seen that with stan culture before, where they’ll put out “instructions” for how to get an artist’s new single to #1. And two, streaming is a passive action. All it costs is $10 per month and anyone can stream millions of songs from thousands of artists as many times as they want per day. It’s not a totally accurate measure of how big a specific artist’s fanbase is, or how far a fanbase is willing to go to support that artist. Ticket sales are a much better metric because they’re: more expensive, require fans to actually take action (plan an entire day/weekend/trip around the artist), and there’s no way to manipulate getting real people to pack out a stadium and sing together in unison.
Jul 31, 2023·2 replies
Miww85Now I hope trav does this stadium tour and it’s successful because then it will break this myth that only family friendly superstars cen sell out stadiums
Man the “family friendly” take is so disingenuous to me because while they may not make that type of music, a LOT of people take their kids, wife, parents and even grandparent to concerts. Like this isn’t a new phenomenon strictly for only a certain type of artist. I saw hella kids at Weeknd’s concert, I saw parents with their kid at Burna’s and Kendrick’s concert.
Music in itself is just an event. I bet there are thousands of kids who have a favorite artist that doesn’t fit the family friendly ideal that still go to these shows with their family or parental/sibling chaperone, even Travis who has allowed all ages at his shows since the beginning
Jul 31, 2023https://twitter.com/talkofthecharts/status/1685775689650167808
Ghetto LennyIt's always the Drake collab lol
- Jul 31, 2023shaleirose
Literally.
For example, I bet less than 300 daily KTT2 users are actively listening to Karol G, but she’s pulling numbers like this:
https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1685759476534554625People on here need to realize there’s an entire music world that exists outside of their own personal bubbles
I like her and I think the album was weak.
- Jul 31, 2023
quadraMeltdown can't even get physical boost cause it's not on the damn CD or vinyl
Credit the boy and it might go #1
I don't even want him to credit Drake anymore lmao.
- Jul 31, 2023
Touring is definitely the most important part of an artist's career. It's the biggest source of income for artists and is a way for them to connect with fans to see how the music is translating in real life.
Hits are great but if you're an established touring veteran, you don't need them to survive and build wealth.
Jul 31, 2023·2 repliesFreightSo far this is holding better than Mr Morale
Mr Morale
Day 1 - 53m
Day 2 - 28.7mUtopia
Day 1 - 49.8m
Day 2 - 29.9mMr Morale
Day 3 - 18.7m
Total - 100.4mUtopia
Day 3 - 20.2m
Total - 99.9mLooking like around 265k-275k to me
- Jul 31, 2023Miww85· edited
Bro streams are easy to manipulate, you really can’t manipulate ppl getting off their ass and sitting down to watch you. Streams are flawed metric to measure success because if we went just on that lil baby and nba youngboy are bigger then beyonce and we all know that ain’t true, I agree there’s some bias going on against rappers and how kid friendly popstars are but look at The Weeknd? That nigga ain’t kid friendly at all and he can still do it
Its only a flawed metric if you using ut wrong. sales and streaming shows what album/song was more successful not who is a bigger artist.
- Jul 31, 2023
A Mad Ass NiggaHip hop will NOT be cooked. Y’all not even rap fans lmao just pop fans faking the funk since drake happens to rap.
He the only one that’s still doing this s*** man…
Jul 31, 2023·1 replyFreightMr Morale
Day 3 - 18.7m
Total - 100.4mUtopia
Day 3 - 20.2m
Total - 99.9mLooking like around 265k-275k to me
275k with the bundles or without?
- Jul 31, 2023·1 replyMaximus
275k with the bundles or without?
Without
- Jul 31, 2023Freight
Without
W
- Jul 31, 2023·editedLove Life Utopia
Man the “family friendly” take is so disingenuous to me because while they may not make that type of music, a LOT of people take their kids, wife, parents and even grandparent to concerts. Like this isn’t a new phenomenon strictly for only a certain type of artist. I saw hella kids at Weeknd’s concert, I saw parents with their kid at Burna’s and Kendrick’s concert.
Music in itself is just an event. I bet there are thousands of kids who have a favorite artist that doesn’t fit the family friendly ideal that still go to these shows with their family or parental/sibling chaperone, even Travis who has allowed all ages at his shows since the beginning
S*** I saw a family being take their kids to a Metallica concert 😭 like these concerts are an event
- Jul 31, 2023·2 repliesshaleirose
1. It’s not biased towards white popstars. There are only eight active artists right now who have pulled off a successful global stadium tour in recent years, and three of them are POC: Weeknd, Beyonce, and Bad Bunny. Also, Karol G is about to embark on her first ever stadium tour, so that brings the total to 4/9.
2. Streams can lie because, for one, they can be easily manipulated. We’ve seen that with stan culture before, where they’ll put out “instructions” for how to get an artist’s new single to #1. And two, streaming is a passive action. All it costs is $10 per month and anyone can stream millions of songs from thousands of artists as many times as they want per day. It’s not a totally accurate measure of how big a specific artist’s fanbase is, or how far a fanbase is willing to go to support that artist. Ticket sales are a much better metric because they’re: more expensive, require fans to actually take action (plan an entire day/weekend/trip around the artist), and there’s no way to manipulate getting real people to pack out a stadium and sing together in unison.
So popstars then, people who mostly make music for families/children. Not many people are going to a Weeknd concert to hear HoB, they're going to hear Blinding Lights and Starboy, obvs
It's literally impossible to stream millions of songs a day, you can stream at most 700~ 2 min songs a day and I'm fairly sure Spotify/AM both filter out streams from people that just leave it autoplaying all day anyway.
There is very obvious manipulation with touring too, a LOT of people go to see artists like BTS/Harry Styles/Taylor Swift because they're obsessed with the actual human behind the music. They're desperate to see them in real life, Harry Styles could announce a world tour where he's literally just talking on the stage about life and he'd sell 100s of thousands of tickets in seconds
Also if streams can be manipulated, surely you'd think artists like Beyonce/Nicki Minaj would be doing insane streaming numbers right? They have way more loyal fans than Drake. Yet they aren't even coming close to 1/3rds Drake numbers, why do you think that is?
- Jul 31, 2023·1 replyMiww85
Bro streams are easy to manipulate, you really can’t manipulate ppl getting off their ass and sitting down to watch you. Streams are flawed metric to measure success because if we went just on that lil baby and nba youngboy are bigger then beyonce and we all know that ain’t true, I agree there’s some bias going on against rappers and how kid friendly popstars are but look at The Weeknd? That nigga ain’t kid friendly at all and he can still do it
The Weeknd literally changed his whole game up to become more family friendly a few years ago though. He'd never be selling out stadiums making Trilogy/BBTM type music still
- Jul 31, 2023·2 repliesLove Life Utopia
Man the “family friendly” take is so disingenuous to me because while they may not make that type of music, a LOT of people take their kids, wife, parents and even grandparent to concerts. Like this isn’t a new phenomenon strictly for only a certain type of artist. I saw hella kids at Weeknd’s concert, I saw parents with their kid at Burna’s and Kendrick’s concert.
Music in itself is just an event. I bet there are thousands of kids who have a favorite artist that doesn’t fit the family friendly ideal that still go to these shows with their family or parental/sibling chaperone, even Travis who has allowed all ages at his shows since the beginning
Yeah for sure i'm not saying none go at all. I'm just saying its faaar more prevalent for artists like Ed Sheeran/Taylor.
There's a reason Taylor's now a 2-3x bigger concert artist than Beyonce. Beyonce.
- Jul 31, 2023·4 repliesMiww85
Bro streams are easy to manipulate, you really can’t manipulate ppl getting off their ass and sitting down to watch you. Streams are flawed metric to measure success because if we went just on that lil baby and nba youngboy are bigger then beyonce and we all know that ain’t true, I agree there’s some bias going on against rappers and how kid friendly popstars are but look at The Weeknd? That nigga ain’t kid friendly at all and he can still do it
Lil Baby and Nba Youngboy as musicians are clearly more popular than Beyonce in recent years
Beyonce is a much, much, much bigger celebrity and always will be. Celebrities sell tours, musicians don't
I think that's the distinction we need to make & what everyone struggles with
& again if streams are so easy to manipulate, why does Nicki Minaj/BTS always flop. Nicki's last album (Queen) only sold 100k streaming units even with her insane fanbase, you think they just had no idea how to "manipulate" streaming?
- Jul 31, 2023·1 replymangotflu
The Weeknd literally changed his whole game up to become more family friendly a few years ago though. He'd never be selling out stadiums making Trilogy/BBTM type music still
Bro this the same nigga that just made the idol lmao after hours isn’t family friendly either outside of blinding lights
- Jul 31, 2023mangotflu
Yeah for sure i'm not saying none go at all. I'm just saying its faaar more prevalent for artists like Ed Sheeran/Taylor.
There's a reason Taylor's now a 2-3x bigger concert artist than Beyonce. Beyonce.
That’s because of white privilege let’s be real not because their family friendly
- Jul 31, 2023·1 replymangotflu
So popstars then, people who mostly make music for families/children. Not many people are going to a Weeknd concert to hear HoB, they're going to hear Blinding Lights and Starboy, obvs
It's literally impossible to stream millions of songs a day, you can stream at most 700~ 2 min songs a day and I'm fairly sure Spotify/AM both filter out streams from people that just leave it autoplaying all day anyway.
There is very obvious manipulation with touring too, a LOT of people go to see artists like BTS/Harry Styles/Taylor Swift because they're obsessed with the actual human behind the music. They're desperate to see them in real life, Harry Styles could announce a world tour where he's literally just talking on the stage about life and he'd sell 100s of thousands of tickets in seconds
Also if streams can be manipulated, surely you'd think artists like Beyonce/Nicki Minaj would be doing insane streaming numbers right? They have way more loyal fans than Drake. Yet they aren't even coming close to 1/3rds Drake numbers, why do you think that is?
Nobody is spending $100+ on a concert ticket and making travel arrangements and planning an entire day around a two hour concert for two pop songs that they like. Look at Weeknd’s tour setlist, 80% of the songs he plays are not family friendly whatsoever, and he still has 50,000 people singing all the words with him every single show.
Of course fans will be desperate to see their favorite artist in real life, that just comes with the celebrity when you reach global supe om. I’m sure if Harry started standing still in silence for two hours at numerous shows, he would start to see his ticket sales dwindle, but that’s a ridiculous scenario. Fans are obsessed with these artists, yes, but what caused them to become obsessed is the music.
Also, Nicki’s last few singles have all been doing extremely well, she just hasn’t dropped an album in five years. Drake’s streaming numbers are insane because: 1. he makes very commercially accessible music, 2. he drops a new project almost every single year, and 3. he reaches more audiences with his music than any other artist does, and he’s aware of that.
I never said all artists who receive streams were doing so by way of manipulation, I’m just saying streaming is a completely passive action that doesn’t require any more effort from the listener than spending $10 and pressing play
- Jul 31, 2023·edited·1 replymangotflu
Lil Baby and Nba Youngboy as musicians are clearly more popular than Beyonce in recent years
Beyonce is a much, much, much bigger celebrity and always will be. Celebrities sell tours, musicians don't
I think that's the distinction we need to make & what everyone struggles with
& again if streams are so easy to manipulate, why does Nicki Minaj/BTS always flop. Nicki's last album (Queen) only sold 100k streaming units even with her insane fanbase, you think they just had no idea how to "manipulate" streaming?
That’s because beyonce hadn’t released music until 2022 Cmon now lmao, like context matters here bro. Lil baby and yb release music every 2 months at bare minimum while beyonce goes on long breaks so ofc the numbers skew more to them
- Jul 31, 2023·2 repliesMiww85
Bro this the same nigga that just made the idol lmao after hours isn’t family friendly either outside of blinding lights
Exactly, no one is going to a Weeknd concert solely to hear Blinding Lights
Jul 31, 2023·1 replyTravis Scott is a vacuous void. Listening to his music just feels like a bottomless abyss - he has nothing to say, there is nothing Travis Scott conveys that vaguely resembles a human being with human emotions. A completely vacant husk on top of (sort of) interesting production.
Travis Scott is all aesthetic and no substance.