Majority of the songs on the album don’t even have hooks and he over here saying commercial accessibility was the main goal

And you’re framing it like the album isn’t commercially accessible when it is. Yeezus has been around for a decade. This is the fourth Travis album. Half the album is leftovers from other commercially accessible albums like Donda and Rodeo. The public is used to this sound, it’s not some wildly experimental music they can’t handle. They’re just not enjoying this particular version

The great thing about discussing numbers is that it doesn't matter what I think. The numbers indicate people are already moving on from the album. If the songs were more stable on streaming or there was a clear front-runner hit, the numbers would indicate that.

You feel like I'm attacking Travis when I'm not. Most albums that have dropped this year have scored just 1 hit record (if they managed to score any at all) so it's more about people's listening habits than Travis' album being bad (even though I don't think it's that great).

And I always speak in terms of the general population, not just Travis' fanbase, when I say people are already moving on from the album so while Travis' fans might still be f***ing with the album heavy, their impact isn't enough to stop the songs from bleeding streams daily.

His actions

6/19 songs on the album have hooks

And not the music itself?

Also, acting like Travis isn't a numbers-obsessed guy is very disingenuous. K-pop was a clear attempt at scoring a hit record that didn't go the way Travis wanted.

You can say his goal was to maximise the commercial viability of the album after the fact, but certainly doesn't sound like it was the goal artistically

Dumbo alert

7/21 songs on CLB don’t have hooks

K-Pop is a clear force from the label to have a commercially accessible song on the record. It literally stands out like a sore thumb from the rest of the album

Taylor Swift made folklore, which was a departure from her pop-oriented sound but it still doesn't mean she didn't do all she could to boost that album's performance on the chart, as well as doing all she could to boost the single she pushed off the album.

Ok? 14/21 songs do what is your point

The label doesn’t have the ability to force Travis to do anything. This isn’t his debut album. He has enough credibility to have unilateral control over his music

Travis told you himself that the label forced that song on him? Interesting.

Did he tell you he was trying to make a commercially accessible album?

Lmao I completely misread your post. I’m not conceding my point though. A song doesn’t need to have a pop song structure and be made for radio in order to be commercial accessible in 2023

Has nothing to do with your original post

One moment, Travis has enough of a singular vision artistically to not make a chart-bait album but when you call out the CLEAR attempt at scoring a hit that failed miserably, he's all of a sudden a D-list artist who has to do everything their label suggests lmao.

400k is great. Maybe Trav is passed his commercial prime, idk, but the album was great imo and 400k is still huge, esp after a 5 year hiatus. Can't peak forever. Congrats!

Looking at the Top 40 on the Hot 100 right now greatly disproves this

I don't think he's past his commercial prime, the album just isn't no Astroworld

Also it's harder to sell these days

You're pulling theories out of thin air to justify your point. Travis' actions tell us enough of who he is as an artist and what his goals are commercially. If he didn't care about numbers, he'd move differently. Suggesting otherwise is being disingenuous.

No one’s pulling theories from anywhere, it’s just obvious to hear. K-Pop literally stands out on the album like a sore thumb.

There are maybe less than 10 artists in the world right now who can do whatever they want on an album without any label interference, and Travis is not one of those artists yet

Either way it's no biggie. Kanye isn't doing Graduation numbers anymore, Drake isn't doing Views numbers anymore, etc. As long as the music is good and it's not flopping, it doesn't really matter what it sells.