Aug 9, 2023
thegreatdivineNo ''casual fan'' is supporting someone for 15 straight years. Only a hardcore fan/stan is doing that, even if they don't identify as that specifically. You won't find Drake stans voting for stupid awards or doing the most on Twitter in his name because they're too busy actually supporting his music
All you need to do is look at how he has performed commercially throughout his career to understand that.
Drake's catalog does too much damage every year for anyone to have such a silly take that he doesn't have a hardcore fanbase.
I know plenty, plenty of people who listen to Drake a ton and wouldn’t call themselves a Drake stan.
Drake just makes music that is infinitely replayable and reaches so many different audiences. He truly has a song for every emotion & situation.
Aug 9, 2023·2 repliesthegreatdivineNo ''casual fan'' is supporting someone for 15 straight years. Only a hardcore fan/stan is doing that, even if they don't identify as that specifically. You won't find Drake stans voting for stupid awards or doing the most on Twitter in his name because they're too busy actually supporting his music
All you need to do is look at how he has performed commercially throughout his career to understand that.
Drake's catalog does too much damage every year for anyone to have such a silly take that he doesn't have a hardcore fanbase.
Everyone who grew up from 2008-2019 got some type of Drake on their phones that they go back to as a casual fan
Aug 9, 2023The only major difference in purchasing habits between Drake and Travis fans is that Drake fans have to pay for this thing called rent
- Aug 9, 2023Love Life Utopia
Everyone who grew up from 2008-2019 got some type of Drake on their phones that they go back to as a casual fan
They don’t even realize that what we’re saying is more of a compliment to Drake than anything else.
His music is so good and relatable that he has people who don’t even consider themselves hardcore fans of his endlessly replaying songs from his catalog
- Aug 9, 2023·1 replyLove Life Utopia
Everyone who grew up from 2008-2019 got some type of Drake on their phones that they go back to as a casual fan
Yes, but a casual fan isn't playing one artist's discography as consistently as people do with Drake's, which is my point.
- Aug 9, 2023·1 reply
quadraHe said like 60k max
100k is good for someone who hasn't released a CD or vinyl first week in like 8 years lmao
Yeah that's what got me, the Drake would sell 60k extra max if he did bundles. Just seems like a crazy take. I'm very sure it'd be at least 150k if he did 20+ bundles a month in advance like Trav did for Utopia.
- Aug 9, 2023mangotflu
Yeah that's what got me, the Drake would sell 60k extra max if he did bundles. Just seems like a crazy take. I'm very sure it'd be at least 150k if he did 20+ bundles a month in advance like Trav did for Utopia.
There’s no way any of us can be right or wrong until Drake actually does bundles so I guess we all just gotta agree to disagree
Aug 9, 2023·2 repliesquadraHe said like 60k max
100k is good for someone who hasn't released a CD or vinyl first week in like 8 years lmao
Okay, Idk about 60k
I'd say somewhere in the 130k region, depending on the merch or whatever accompanies the album- Aug 9, 2023
I think Drake fans buying his new CD or vinyl if it's available at all
And then offered at $5 like some of his counterparts
- Aug 9, 2023
I will make the concession that the cover art would affect vinyl sales significantly. NWTS and Views would sell much better on vinyl than CLB or Her Loss would. Drake needs more appealing covers if he wants to move vinyl units
- Aug 9, 2023·3 repliesthegreatdivine
Yes, but a casual fan isn't playing one artist's discography as consistently as people do with Drake's, which is my point.
Nah I gotta disagree. There are plenty casual fans of artists who play their music and check in on their recent releases when it crosses their vision. Otherwise most of these artists wouldn’t have careers today when they drop music if they only relying solely on a core fan base of stans
- Aug 9, 2023·2 repliesSTEPPA PIG
Okay, Idk about 60k
I'd say somewhere in the 130k region, depending on the merch or whatever accompanies the albumI didn’t say 60K max. I said it would be around a 60K boost to his usual pure sales numbers these days.
CLB did 46K in pure sales first week, so with a 60K bundle boost that’s around 110K, which is what they’re saying pretty much
- Aug 9, 2023STEPPA PIG
Okay, Idk about 60k
I'd say somewhere in the 130k region, depending on the merch or whatever accompanies the albumOh we're really not that far off then. Idk why we're arguing. @quadra said 100k and I said 150k-200k. Maybe we just have different definitions of what qualifies as good pure sales.
Beyoncé just did 190k pure for Renaissance for reference
- Aug 9, 2023Love Life Utopia
Nah I gotta disagree. There are plenty casual fans of artists who play their music and check in on their recent releases when it crosses their vision. Otherwise most of these artists wouldn’t have careers today when they drop music if they only relying solely on a core fan base of stans
Also this. With the amount of music and artists I consume on a daily basis, there are PLENTY of artists that I listen to on a daily basis that I wouldn’t consider myself a hardcore fan of.
Idk why they’re acting like this doesn’t exist
- Aug 9, 2023·1 replyshaleirose
I didn’t say 60K max. I said it would be around a 60K boost to his usual pure sales numbers these days.
CLB did 46K in pure sales first week, so with a 60K bundle boost that’s around 110K, which is what they’re saying pretty much
That's still under half of Trav tho, just feels so wrong lmao
Trav really don't seem to have stans to me. His audience seems to be mostly hypebeasts that just like buying whatever's hot
- Aug 9, 2023
TIIMMY BURNERWho else was it largerly applicable too? Em (obviously), Ye, Kendrick, Wayne are the artist that spring to mind for me when I think of stans, SZA and Frank included in artists whos fans damn near have cults around them and deify them.
wayne? ☠️
bffr 😭
- Aug 9, 2023·1 replymangotflu
That's still under half of Trav tho, just feels so wrong lmao
Trav really don't seem to have stans to me. His audience seems to be mostly hypebeasts that just like buying whatever's hot
That’s because Travis’s 250K in pure sales is 50% of his first week numbers because he relies on them because he knows that’s where he gets most of his sales.
Most of Drake’s sales are coming from streams, he’s not doing 50% of his first week numbers in pure sales.
- Aug 9, 2023·2 repliesLove Life Utopia
Nah I gotta disagree. There are plenty casual fans of artists who play their music and check in on their recent releases when it crosses their vision. Otherwise most of these artists wouldn’t have careers today when they drop music if they only relying solely on a core fan base of stans
You're not getting my point. Checking out an artist's music when they drop is a benefit every popular mainstream artist gets, not just Drake. I'm speaking of Drake's catalog, which outdoes everyone's catalog (with the exception of Taylor Swift's catalog these days) every year, whether or not he drops new music. Those numbers aren't being driven primarily by casual fans, and that holds true for any artist whose back catalog pulls massive numbers.
Casual fans can boost first week numbers, yes, but as time goes on, it's stans who drive the numbers, especially for songs/albums that don't end up becoming massive pop cultural moments.
- Aug 9, 2023·1 replyshaleirose
That’s because Travis’s 250K in pure sales is 50% of his first week numbers because he relies on them because he knows that’s where he gets most of his sales.
Most of Drake’s sales are coming from streams, he’s not doing 50% of his first week numbers in pure sales.
I know but if we're talking if Drake put the same effort into the merch/bundles as Trav did, do you still think he'd only do 110k total? Or do you think he'd do a lot more?
Aug 9, 2023Damn that’s a flop for Travis
Aug 9, 2023thegreatdivineNo ''casual fan'' is supporting someone for 15 straight years. Only a hardcore fan/stan is doing that, even if they don't identify as that specifically. You won't find Drake stans voting for stupid awards or doing the most on Twitter in his name because they're too busy actually supporting his music
All you need to do is look at how he has performed commercially throughout his career to understand that.
Drake's catalog does too much damage every year for anyone to have such a silly take that he doesn't have a hardcore fanbase.
"You won't find them doing the most on twitter" you had a thread dedicated to his child and one of you spends hours a day on twitter to find s*** to post about here
- Aug 9, 2023
In jesus name no more cap
Aug 9, 2023·2 repliesthegreatdivineYou're not getting my point. Checking out an artist's music when they drop is a benefit every popular mainstream artist gets, not just Drake. I'm speaking of Drake's catalog, which outdoes everyone's catalog (with the exception of Taylor Swift's catalog these days) every year, whether or not he drops new music. Those numbers aren't being driven primarily by casual fans, and that holds true for any artist whose back catalog pulls massive numbers.
Casual fans can boost first week numbers, yes, but as time goes on, it's stans who drive the numbers, especially for songs/albums that don't end up becoming massive pop cultural moments.
I get your point but I wouldn’t call a lot of those people streaming Drake’s music stans of him though. He’s at the top of tons of playlists, consistently is on the radio, the person you’ll play at a gathering cause most people like him. But stan is just a little too far to call all of them. A lot of casuals are people that fall into these categories
- Aug 9, 2023thegreatdivine
You're not getting my point. Checking out an artist's music when they drop is a benefit every popular mainstream artist gets, not just Drake. I'm speaking of Drake's catalog, which outdoes everyone's catalog (with the exception of Taylor Swift's catalog these days) every year, whether or not he drops new music. Those numbers aren't being driven primarily by casual fans, and that holds true for any artist whose back catalog pulls massive numbers.
Casual fans can boost first week numbers, yes, but as time goes on, it's stans who drive the numbers, especially for songs/albums that don't end up becoming massive pop cultural moments.
This just isn’t true man, especially for an artist like Drake.
You’re underestimating how many people out there are purely casual listeners of music.
Drake makes the perfect type of music for casual listening because it’s relatable, catchy, easily accessible listening.
I have numerous friends who listen to Drake on a very regular basis who would never consider themselves a stan of him.
People like us who discuss this music s*** 24/7 are in the minority
- Aug 9, 2023JeffersonSteelflex
I get your point but I wouldn’t call a lot of those people streaming Drake’s music stans of him though. He’s at the top of tons of playlists, consistently is on the radio, the person you’ll play at a gathering cause most people like him. But stan is just a little too far to call all of them. A lot of casuals are people that fall into these categories
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