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    iHype

    Let’s ask French Montana

    Not the same whatsoever, he didn’t fake any purchases, he faked the shipping of said purchases

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    iHype

    There has literally been numerous artists that only did numbers like 30K, 50K, etc and were still blatantly caught sending fake sales?

    Sources? Proof? Evidence?

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    TheFader

    Sources? Proof? Evidence?

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    TheFader

    Nigga working with WWE and this dumbass in here calling a mere 70K fraudulent

    70k overall sounds about right for Nav tbh

    however 50k physicals def is an eyebrow raiser fosho tho. def thought streams would carry

  • TheFader

    Not the same whatsoever, he didn’t fake any purchases, he faked the shipping of said purchases

    So using your logic why would he need to fake shipping “when it’s only 50k and doesn’t mean much”?

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    iHype
    https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1836154616334909539https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1838225309478293788

    I don’t see any fake sales, I see an album that underperformed based on initial projections

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    TheFader

    I don’t see any fake sales, I see an album that underperformed based on initial projections

    No dumbass nigga, HDD FINAL numbers literally had her doing 45k+ then when Billboard chart dropped she was entirely missing from it lmao

  • Wiggler

    NOKIA coming

    Told y’all niggas it hadn’t peaked in streams yet

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    NoFace

    70k overall sounds about right for Nav tbh

    however 50k physicals def is an eyebrow raiser fosho tho. def thought streams would carry

    He did the exact same number of physicals the last time he did physicals with extensive bundling

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    iHype

    No dumbass nigga, HDD FINAL numbers literally had her doing 45k+ then when Billboard chart dropped she was entirely missing from it lmao

    So if it was fake, it sounds like Billboard caught it and removed it.

    Why aren’t they doing the same thing for NAV?

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    TheFader

    So if it was fake, it sounds like Billboard caught it and removed it.

    Why aren’t they doing the same thing for NAV?

    You claimed an artist wouldn’t fake numbers that low. I showed you proof of an artist faking numbers that low.

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    iHype

    NAV’s album isn’t even top 100 on iTunes while it’s magically selling 50k in his webstore

    Mind you Ariana, Taylor, etc have done webstore versions and still consistently pulled high numbers on other digital platforms

    I dont have a dog in this fight but Nav's album is number 10 on apple music's charts right now, so idk what to tell ya

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    RASIE

    I dont have a dog in this fight but Nav's album is number 10 on apple music's charts right now, so idk what to tell ya

    I’m talking iTunes, not Apple Music.

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    iHype

    You claimed an artist wouldn’t fake numbers that low. I showed you proof of an artist faking numbers that low.

    You didn’t show any proof. You posted an album that underperformed and implied that the sales were fake because it didn’t meet HDD’s Final projection for it. HDD Final projections are known to be off sometimes; their Final projection for HUT was 450K and it ended up finishing at 490K.

    IF Paris Hilton was actually faking sales and Billboard why able to catch it, why haven’t they stopped Weeknd & NAV? Who, according to you, have been both faking album sales for years?

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    iHype

    I’m talking iTunes, not Apple Music.

    Itunes was discontinued and is only available in old formats on windows and old mac models... iTunes charts are not relevant in modern music commerce.

  • Dude in here clacking keys on a gateway desktop CRT talking about "he's not even in iTunes top 100 chart" like it's 2009

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    TheFader

    You didn’t show any proof. You posted an album that underperformed and implied that the sales were fake because it didn’t meet HDD’s Final projection for it. HDD Final projections are known to be off sometimes; their Final projection for HUT was 450K and it ended up finishing at 490K.

    IF Paris Hilton was actually faking sales and Billboard why able to catch it, why haven’t they stopped Weeknd & NAV? Who, according to you, have been both faking album sales for years?

    There is no way they’d project an album to do 45k sales and it does less than 10k without being fraud… that’s not a simple margin of error Her team legitimately reported a bunch of sales that were thrown out.

    You also didn’t explain why French Montana would bother faking shipping dates if numbers like 40k are numbers nobody would care to fake

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    RASIE

    Itunes was discontinued and is only available in old formats on windows and old mac models... iTunes charts are not relevant in modern music commerce.

    Nah, for pure sales iTunes is still basically the biggest retailer regardless of sales in general being low.

    If an album sells tens of thousands of digital sales but has no presence on iTunes it’s pretty fishy and rare

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    TheFader

    He did the exact same number of physicals the last time he did physicals with extensive bundling

    im assuming he bundled this time? i didnt really follow either release despite listening to his last album

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    iHype

    There is no way they’d project an album to do 45k sales and it does less than 10k without being fraud… that’s not a simple margin of error Her team legitimately reported a bunch of sales that were thrown out.

    You also didn’t explain why French Montana would bother faking shipping dates if numbers like 40k are numbers nobody would care to fake

    Dumbass, it was actually people who purchased it saying that there order was never delivered:

    This was most likely done because they didn’t actually have the album pressed in time and faked the shipping to make the sales count first week.

    The purchases were real, the shipping was not.

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    NoFace

    im assuming he bundled this time? i didnt really follow either release despite listening to his last album

    He bundled both times. 2020 and 2025.

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    TheFader

    Dumbass, it was actually people who purchased it saying that there order was never delivered:

    https://twitter.com/99vinyl_/status/1762647646722777390

    This was most likely done because they didn’t actually have the album pressed in time and faked the shipping to make the sales count first week.

    The purchases were real, the shipping was not.

    Again I’m asking you why did they feel the need to fake SHIPPING if according to you doing 40k first week isn’t worth the effort of doing shady tactics?

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    iHype

    Again I’m asking you why did they feel the need to fake SHIPPING if according to you doing 40k first week isn’t worth the effort of doing shady tactics?

    To ensure that all of the copies they sold counted first week.

    I’m saying if someone was creating actual fake sales and getting away with it, why would they cap themselves at a number as low as 70K?

    Fake sales =/= fake shipping

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    tbh i want to become an auditor for billboard so i can audit the 55k people who bought a nav album.

    i just need to account for the fact that there are 55k real life human beings out there who own a nav album that they bought with their hard earned money.

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    TheFader

    To ensure that all of the copies they sold counted first week.

    I’m saying if someone was creating actual fake sales and getting away with it, why would they cap themselves at a number as low as 70K?

    Fake sales =/= fake shipping

    You’re trying to say nobody would settle for fudging 70k, while also claiming French did what he did to make sure he got <50k

    For these C-list/D-list artists even doing these numbers first week is a huge W. If a nigga was gonna sell 10k, and found a way to push his numbers to 60k then more than likely he would absolutely do it.

    And as far as your logic of “well why not do more” there is obviously budget/resource constraints that eventually come into play. Someone might be willing to spend $100k to fudge numbers but not $5 million