Yall can't pick and choose when to apply context. Refusing to use it for some artists means that the same logic will be applied to the artists the same fellas want to protect.

Really is a s***ty way to discuss sales, right? That's why so many people should have their access to this thread removed. The levels of knowledge and logic have been absolutely horrid in this thread for the past 12 months.

They're both short and they both sound the same.

when has a producers first week ever been looked at as a determinant of anything? you got it man lmao

I guess he wasn't also a producer when he was scoring all those #1 albums and y'all were crediting him as the main reason for the success of those albums, right?

I only congratulated Future for being the first artist to have 3 #1 albums in the same year.

Metro got respect for producing 2 of those albums and having produced another massive project with heroes and villains but I never held him to the same standards as rappers and singers again, ya’ll got it lmfao

20k first week is still a massive flop for him imo. He's the biggest producer in rap and has been for the past 10 years now. He has a handful of albums/mixtape that credit him as an artist as well so he has definitely built some clout with listeners in that regard, where people who hear that there's a new Metro Boomin project available and would check it out solely off the strength of his name.

The NBA YoungBoy album is also another massive flop because to me, it proves dude is done out there. He's basically wasted whatever clout he used to have with listeners because now, even his fans aren't supporting his albums.

You don't have to hold him to the same standard as regular artists, that's cool. But let's not act like Metro Boomin hasn't been BY FAR the biggest producer in black music in the last 10 years. No one else comes close. And rightfully so, he was smart to take advantage of that by giving himself artist credit on a bunch of albums and getting himself #1 albums/top 10 hit singles as an artist in that regard. But the same way he gets credit for the success of those albums, he also gets credit for the failures.

He does a lot more than DJ Khaled does and yet, if DJ Khaled drops an album that flops, we'd clown him on here for flopping and that clown doesn't even produce s***.

No producer will ever be big enough to sell a project based on their name alone. The vast majority of the GP only care about vocalists. We will never in our lifetimes see an instrumental song go #1 on the Hot 100.

I never expected this Metro tape to do anything more than 50K. 20K is a little underwhelming because it’s a quality damn tape, but it’s not that big of a surprise

FYI: Lil Wayne dropped a mixtape with Rich The Kid in 2021 that only sold 19k fw.

I think you're overestimating how much mixtapes with no hits are expected to sell. Never mind from a producer.

She’s not really a hip hop fan lol

Keep in mind that he’s like… the ONLY rap producer in the past 15 years to find legitimate success with albums as a solo act. So holding him to this standard for a throwback mixtape that 99.9999999999999% of other producers have never and will never achieve is a little ridiculous.

If his next studio album with big name features flops, then that’s a different conversation to be had

Yeah, no, sorry. Y'all don't get to do this now because when another rapper y'all love to discuss on here drops ANYTHING, be it mixtape, playlist, EP, album, or whatever, y'all hold it to the same high commercial standard as any other standard rap release, so I'm not hearing all of that.

Y'all were the same ones on here CLOWNING DLDT's first-week numbers, despite it being marketed as a collection of leaks/demos. That dropped as a surprise and y'all clowned it doing a quarter million units first week.

If y'all don't want niggas to clown rappers/producers when they flop, then stop praising them when they succeed.

Nobody takes DJ Khaled seriously as an artist and we all mostly regard his role on his albums as a "producer"/curator, yet when his albums flop, we clown HIM for flopping but we can't do the same for Metro, someone who y'all get on here and praise endlessly whenever he drops a successful album? Like, what are we doing here?

This goes back to that keeping the same energy thing I always talk about.

Comparing arguably the biggest rapper of the 21st Century to producer Metro Boomin

Can’t make this s*** up man

Who's "ya'll?"

I was saying the same thing when Drake dropped 100 GB's and some called it a flop. I said it did well for an EP with no physicals. This is on record too.

You must got me confused for someone else. I'm actually very neutral towards Drake on here.

I'm not speaking specifically about you, just saying that was the general sentiment on here back then. I don't like it when people don't keep the same energy. If we're gonna clown one rapper if he drops a "mixtape" that flops then let's do the same for any rapper that drops a mixtape that flops.

I vaguely remember people clowning that Lil Wayne/Rich the Kid mixtape you mentioned on here when it dropped and flopped as well and that speaks to my point.

I bet Metro will be fine. He'll go on and drop another album filled with features from his usual collaborators and go #1 again in the near future but for now, this mixtape flopped and people aren't wrong for regarding it as such.

I mean, it'd be one thing if the mixtape like 90k and people were calling it a flop. It didn't do anywhere close to that, though, so here we are.

true
but it feels the beef sped up the process.

atl is gonna be atl even if they dont dominate the game. but its kinda impressive how much sauce they lost within a year.

Exactly. It's hilarious to see them scramble once someone decides to stoop to their level by using their low IQ logic.

I don't think they suddenly lost all their sauce within the last year, same way I don't think the west coast sound suddenly became dominant simply because only Kendrick saw success with it with NLU/GNX.

Atlanta's sound will continue to do what it does regionally but nationally, no sound remains dominant forever. Things come and go. That's just the natural order of things.

I have no issues with numbers being clowned on here. I just don't like it when goal posts start getting moved for the people they like. If a Drake album does <300k, on here, it's considered a flop because it's "not to his usual standards" but when an artist who usually does 100k+ units first week debuts with 20-30k with a new project, we shouldn't rightfully call it a flop because of excuses #1, #2 and #3? Yeah, no. That won't work.

but when an artist who usually does 100k+ units first week debuts with 20-30k with a new project

Metro Boomin has cleared 100K a total of ~one~ singular time as a solo act

Those Future collabs are basically just Future albums

A few days ago they were on here saying 300K would be a flop for Drake in 2025 but 3 years ago the same people spent months telling people that 295K was great despite it being the big comeback album after 5 years of waiting

It’s almost like context is a thing that exists in reality