Shabazz999

11mo

where are lawbrey’s 2 recent singles at on the spotify charts?

iHype

11mo

So like every single 2025 release plummeted at this point

The Subway is a 10/10 song, so when are some of yall gonna stop being dense and blaming the current charts on “bad quality” or “bad songwriting” and instead acknowledge 2025 consumption has entirely changed and that Spotify algorithms for the industry overall were def changed

thegreatdivine

11mo

Also worth noting that outside of the KPop Demon Hunter songs (which are killing it because they're doing incredibly well on streaming), every other song in the top 20 is able to remain stable in that region because of how many points they're getting from radio impressions.

Blue Man

11mo

Do you get the feeling that the industry now sees the billboard chart as a marketing tool rather than a tool to track the hottest songs? I’m starting to think the labels are actually happy with payola heavily impacting the billboard charts so they become a necessary middleman between the artist and fans, especially considering how initially streaming and TikTok was great for independent artists.

thegreatdivine

11mo

Definitely. For the industry/major record labels, Billboard has always been about making money for themselves. They obsess about charts because they can use them to make their artists out to be bigger than they actually are so they can make more money from them/boost their bottomline or so they can use those numbers to convince their shareholders that things at their companies are going better than they actually are/get bonuses when it's time for them to get paid.

The reason why bundles came back rebranded as "fan packs" is because labels put pressure on Billboard to have it count again on the charts for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

iHype

11mo

So like every single 2025 release plummeted at this point

The Subway is a 10/10 song, so when are some of yall gonna stop being dense and blaming the current charts on “bad quality” or “bad songwriting” and instead acknowledge 2025 consumption has entirely changed and that Spotify algorithms for the industry overall were def changed

Blue Man

11mo

The discrepancy between the billboard charts and what people are listening to irl and in clubs are getting huge tho. According to billboard, Luther is one of the biggest hits of this decade and I haven’t heard it once outside lol. Compare it to Not like us, rich baby daddy and Nokia which I’ve heard countless times outside. I feel like if they don’t change the formula soon, the billboard chart will lose relevancy

serenade

11mo

number of songs to peak above 300 points in 2024: 21
number of songs to peak above 200 points in 2024: 52
number of songs to peak above 300 points in 2025: 2
number of songs to peak above 200 points in 2025: 15

not including any christmas songs. there has definitely been a seismic shift in music consumption, there is no way around it.

thegreatdivine

11mo

Definitely. I mean, that can be attributed to a number of factors that quite frankly aren't exactly in the control of Billboard. Things like how fractured things have become as a society in terms of what the masses consume for instance. It used to be that the #1 song on the Hot 100 felt like the biggest song in America at the time because it would be killing it in sales, streaming and radio and would generally be an inescapable tune you knew of even if you didn't care for the song itself or the artist who made said song. That hasn't been the case for the biggest hits on the Hot 100 for the last 6 years now.

The songs feel big on the charts and on Spotify by the streams they amass but the real-life impact is often lacking. You come to find that a song can spent 15+ weeks at #1 and if you don't keep up with music charts, you wouldn't know it because it's very far removed from your everyday life.

Outside of that, though, there's definitely some changes and tweaks Billboard could make to their current Hot 100 chart formula that would make things a lot better:
#1 would be reducing the weight of radio on the Hot 100.
#2 would be increasing the weight of streaming on the Hot 100.
#3 would be reducing the weight of digital sales on the Hot 100.

Shabazz999

11mo

where are lawbrey’s 2 recent singles at on the spotify charts?

iHype

11mo

So like every single 2025 release plummeted at this point

The Subway is a 10/10 song, so when are some of yall gonna stop being dense and blaming the current charts on “bad quality” or “bad songwriting” and instead acknowledge 2025 consumption has entirely changed and that Spotify algorithms for the industry overall were def changed

Bow_And_Arrow

11mo

Yeah that T Swift album is going 12-12 for a month straight lol

Blue Man

11mo

Spotify really needs to get their s*** together with their botting and payola algorithm. They’re a big obstacle to not increasing the weight of streaming on billboard.

Why would decreasing the weight of digital sales help? Only reason I could think of is that it stops their mass credit card purchase by labels

mov

11mo

People still believe the botting stuff lmao

Midzy

11mo

There has never been a more fraudulent song on the charts than Lose Control

iHype

11mo

So like every single 2025 release plummeted at this point

The Subway is a 10/10 song, so when are some of yall gonna stop being dense and blaming the current charts on “bad quality” or “bad songwriting” and instead acknowledge 2025 consumption has entirely changed and that Spotify algorithms for the industry overall were def changed

Blue Man

11mo

Some of us actually have to live in reality

mov

11mo

People still believe the botting stuff lmao

Midzy

11mo

What does this mean to you?

Midzy

11mo

Couldn't fake actual sales

#tb

Abyss

11mo

Makes you think why yall are even wasting your time everyday in this thread when the charts are faker than wrestling

mov

11mo

Doesn't affect the charts at all "Midzy"

Midzy

11mo

What does this mean to you?

Midzy

11mo

Spotify's retroactive stream removal doesn't lead to Billboard rewriting its historical charts.

So yes the weekly charts are affected lol.