yeah no

back when Drake, Future, and Thug we’re starting out, old heads would constantly say “yeah their music is dope but it’s not rap”

same exact thing here

Damn 450-500

I genuinely do. I have Hot Pink on vinyl and I’m getting Planet Her when it comes out on Friday

it's almost like we shouldn't use the opinions of old heads and washed up racist institutions to form our views on art

Wale is washed up and irrelevant so his opinion doesn’t matter either then

That's what I'm getting from this Convo idk maybe I'm seeing it wrong.

Two diff things cause no one woulda had made a clear distinction as what they were vs. us saying that Doja makes Pop music

the only reason for you not viewing her as a rapper its because of her current success and thats it

you can give a thousand reasons but the real reason is that she's selling more than your fave

yeah, no s***

you and the other dumbasses cited remy ma as a hip hop legend that somehow verifies this whole "she's not a rapper" shtick as accepted fact, nobody gives a f*** about what she has to say

That’s literally what they’re saying

“She rapped on these songs so she’s a rapper, if you disagree you hate women or you’re salty that she’s outselling your favs”

Ohhhhhhhhhh, ok, now I understand

And nobody gives a f*** about what Wale has to say but you backed it up like it meant something

When a song has a sung melody with production that mixes genre influences to the point of its primary genre being ambiguous? It’s a pop song.

need something in here to distinguish obviously non-pop/anti-commercial type genre mixing ambiguous stuff in here then i could agree

I understand that she raps. But all those things can't be what makes someone a rapper.

First test is what kind of music do you make. Never heard on her on a Metro beat, nothing like that.

i've been saying this entire time that all of her work even dating back from her actual studio album days have primarily featured rapping on it

this makes her a rapper, regardless of the style of production that she is on

it doesn't matter what songs of hers charts, it doesn't matter what style of music she pursues, she has rapped since she first came out

Please keep bringing up everything but her music as to why we say she's a Pop artist

This narrative has been pushed on every other page and I keep saying this has nothing to do with Drake. I’ve been listening to Doja for years now and I’ve never viewed her as a rapper

so we define rappers as to whether or not they use a f***ing metro beat?

She’s a rapper who makes r&b and pop music

She dabbles in multiple genres like Trippie red

are you niggas serious?

I posted plenty of her music already in this thread and you didn’t respond, but I knew this would get you.

He was clearly giving an example

exactly fam

My favorite pop song

Doja Cat

Is a pop artist

That raps when she wants

Her biggest songs

Are pop songs

She's more melodic rap-singy

Than strictly rap