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  • Jul 4, 2024

    not to bump a beef thread but tbh i also stopped posting about the beef mainly cause it became a lot less fun to talk about it here on KTT post-Meet The Grahams for obvious reasons

    This might be a stretch but I think the music video for King's Dead from 2018 has a subtle snipe to Views-era Drake (2m00s in)

    during the second chorus u see Kendrick dancing awkwardly on the top of a building wearing a puffy red jacket

    to me this reads like a combination of the Views album imagery at the time of Drake being on top of the CN Tower in Toronto

    and the album's biggest hit Hotline Bling ft Drake dancing in a puffy red jacket

    "miss me with that bullshit"

    "you a tourist"

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    Hoping for a fairy tale ending
    Poetic justice pt 2

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    PLO nightingale

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  • Jul 4, 2024
    Prayer_hands

    Hoping for a fairy tale ending
    Poetic justice pt 2

    Lorde & Charli style?

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    TTU

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    i tried linking a discogs album cover link originally cause apparently png links for album covers dont fuccin exist anymore

  • Jul 4, 2024
    hemaglox

    i tried linking a discogs album cover link originally cause apparently png links for album covers dont fuccin exist anymore

    i'm kidding btw, good find

    the shot composition is 1:1

  • Jul 4, 2024

    great op I reread this again. its kinda crazy that the entire time the missing piece in all of these raps was either kendrick or drake ie the most obvious references as far as people they have problems with. these were all very public-facing verses too

  • Jul 4, 2024

    the last verse of stories about my brother is about the weeknd, not kendrick

  • Jul 5, 2024

    what about the deleted Drake ESPN interview? do we accept that as canon?

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    WARNING: WALL OF TEXT

    • Control (2013): Kendrick addresses Drake, along with 10 other rappers, in his verse, prompting passive-aggressive reactions from Drake. Drake downplayed the verse in interviews and seemed genuinely annoyed he had to constantly discuss Kendrick during the rollout for his next album, Nothing Was the Same.

    "And that goes for; Jermaine Cole, Big K.R.I.T., Wale, Pusha T, Meek Mills, A$AP Rocky, DRAKE, Big Sean, Jay Electron, Tyler, Mac Miller."

    "I got love for you all but I'm trynna murder you niggas, trynna make sure your core fans never heard of you niggas. They don't want to hear not one more noun or verb from you niggas."

    • The Language (2013): After months of hating in interviews, Drake finally addresses "Control" on wax, albeit subliminally. He makes it clear he doesn't view Kendrick in the same light as critics do and believes Kendrick is only doing this to get a reaction out of him. Both points would end up common themes whenever Drake addresses Kendrick.

    "I don't know why they been lying but your s*** is not that inspiring."

    "Fuck anybody that's talking that s*** just to get a reaction."

    "I am the one with the motormouth I am the one you should worry bout."

    • BET Awards Cypher (2013): Drake's subliminals on "The Language" prompt Kendrick to make the most direct shots so far, during TDE's cypher at the 2013 BET Awards. Directly referencing Drake's latest album "Nothing Was the Same" only 3 weeks after it released, calling Drake a sensitive rapper, a trend that would continue through this beef.

    "And nothing's been the same since they dropped Control and tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pajama clothes."

    "I got my thumb on hip-hop, and my foot in the back of your ass."

    • Sh!t REMIX (2013): Drake takes the position of Kendrick's big homie, a trend that would also continue in this beef. He makes multiple mentions of helping Kendrick out by giving him a feature and bringing his tour to Los Angeles in 2011 when Kendrick was a much smaller artist.

    "Took niggas out the hood like I'm from there, so you know it's all good when I come there."

    "I hear you talking about you're city like you run there, then I brought my tour to you're city, you my son there."

    • 0 to 100 / The Catch Up (2014): On "The Catch Up," Drake vents to a woman about rappers mentioning him in verses and coming to terms with the fact he's top dog now and the problems that come with that. An obvious reaction to the quick back and forth they had after "Control," he's framing Kendrick, and other rappers, as clout-hungry envious haters that just want his spot.

    "Imagine how it feel to watch another nigga at the top, you know that if you wasn't you you would be dissing you dawg?"

    • Pay for It (2014): Kendrick goes on the offensive for the first time since the BET Cypher. He directly responds to Drake's "motormouth" lyric from "The Language" and lets Drake know this isn't a warning shot, it's war now.

    "Been dissecting your motormouth, til' I break down the engine."

    "This ain't no warning shot, this a relevant henchman."

    "Ending our friendship, baby I'd rather die alone."

    • Used To (2015): Drake references a 2013 interview with Elliot Wilson, where he alleged he saw Kendrick days after the "Control" verse, and his demeanor was quite friendly.

    "They gone say you're name on them airwaves, they gone hit you up right after like it's only rap."

    • 6PM In New York (2015): On one of Drake's classic timestamp records, he takes shots at a bunch of artists, most notably Tyga. But towards the end of the track, he takes subliminal shots at BOTH Kanye West and Kendrick Lamar. Mentioning "Money Trees" and "Blood On the Leaves" making it clear he's ready to go there with artists of any caliber.

    "Why you rapping like you come from the streets? I got a backyard where money seems to come from the trees, and I'm never ever scared to get some blood on my leaves."

    • King Kunta (2015): Kendrick subliminally addresses rappers trying to sit on his throne. Most notably though, are the bars about rappers with ghostwriters. When this song first released nobody knew who Kendrick was referring to. But months later, after Meek Mill exposed Drake for using ghostwriters, it became obvious who King Kunta was referencing. It was at this exact point the entire dynamic of the beef began to change.

    "I got a bone to pick. I don't want you monkey mouth motherfuckers sitting at my throne again."

    "I can dig rapping, but a rapper with a ghostwriter? What the f*** happened?"

    "I swore I wouldn't tell, but most of y'all sharing bars like you got the bottom bunk in a 2-man cell."

    • Hood Politics (2015): While there are no direct shots at Drake, Kendrick does make reference to reactions to the "Control" verse. He talks about people in our culture being too sensitive and that further dissing could lead to violence because of that. But makes it clear he can press the "red button" and get the West Coast involved if it has to go there. More directed towards East Coast vs. West Coast than Drake, but still relevant to the lore.

    "Unless you talking about power, yeah I got a lot of it. I'm the only rapper next to Snoop that can press the button."

    "Had the coast on standby, 'K Dot what's up? I heard they opened up Pandora's box, I'll box 'em all in by a landslide."

    "I resolved inside that private hall while sitting down with JAY (JAY-Z), he said 'It's funny how one verse can f*** up the game.'"

    • 100 (2015): Drake makes another big bro maneuver. Featuring on a Compton legends song (The Game), while filming the music video in Compton. The verse seems to be a reaction to the praise Kendrick received for "To Pimp a Butterfly" he wants Kendrick to know that if he felt like it, he could make an album just as great as TPAB. He also claims Kendrick's recent music gets no play in the club and when it does, the reaction is lackluster.

    "I would have all of your fans if I didn't go pop and I stayed on some conscious s***."

    "I'm in the club every time they play the competition, if they even play the competition, and I seen the response they get."

    • Darkside/Gone (2015): Kendrick one ups Drake. Likely upset a Compton legend allowed Drake to diss him on a song, Kendrick teams up with THE Compton legend on an album named "Compton" to respond to Drake. Directly referencing Drake's song "Enemies" and pokes fun at the constant subliminals Drake continues to send.

    "But I still got enemies giving me energy I want to fight now."

    "Subliminal sent to me all of this hate, I thought I was holding the mic down."

    • Deep Water (2015): The more direct of the Compton soundtrack disses. He again references a Drake song, this time "Started From the Bottom," asserting that unlike Drake, he really started from the bottom. There are also references to the number "6" which Drake has a known affinity for.

    "Motherfucker know I started from the bottom."

    "They liable to bury him, they nominate six to carry him. They worry him to death but he no vegetarian."

    "The beef is on his breathe, inheriting the drama better than a great white, this is life in my aquarium."

    • Summer Sixteen (2016): Phase two of the beef begins here. In 2015 President Barack Obama was asked who would win in a beef between Kendrick Lamar & Drake. Barack Obama picked Kendrick, and obviously, Drake doesn't agree. A quick sub to Kendrick on a song mostly focused on the Meek Mill beef.

    "Tell Obama that my verses are just like the whips that he in, they bulletproof."

    • Untitled 02 (2016): Kendrick pokes fun at Drake, parodying his "If You're Reading This" flow on the last verse. No real direct shots but some possible subs.

    "I can put a rapper on life support, guarantee that's something none of you want."

    • Untitled 07 (2016): On the penultimate song from Untitled Unmastered, Kendrick addresses a few artists who sent shots at him after TPAB. Though the Jay Electronica shots are most notable, he does take a second to remind Drake that he's not ready for war. Essentially calling Drake a b****.

    "You niggas fear me like y'all fear God."

    "Before you poke out your chest, loosen your bra."

    "The mastemind, and til' my next album, more power to you."

    • Grammys (2016): While there are no obvious shots at Kendrick, this is an important song in the lore. On this song Drake starts the "Top 5" discussion in hip-hop, and saying his spot there is not for debate. This would be referenced on many disses moving forward.

    "Most niggas with a deal, couldn't make a greatest hits."

    "Y'all a whole lot of things, but you still ain't this."

    "Whole city going crazy, top 5 no debating. Top 5, top 5, top 5."

    • For Free (2016): One of the more weird instances in this beef. Drake makes a sly reference to Kendrick's 2015 song, For Free? (Interlude). It's not clear if this was an attempt at being friendly again, or a petty pot shot. Although seeing how things played out after, I'd assume this reference was VERY tongue in cheek.

    "And like your boy from Compton said "You know this d*** ain't free."

    •4PM In Calabasas (2016): On another of Drake's classic timestamps records, he shouts out Kendrick once again. This song reads as a post-Views victory lap. But Drake is still clearly taking the position as Kendrick's big homie, the guy that took him on tour when he was a starving artist. Also the first time Drake ever mentioned Kendrick's name on wax.

    "When they told me take an R&B nigga on the road (Chris Brown), and I told 'em no and drew for Kendrick and Rocky"

    • Gyalchester (2017): Drake makes a direct reference to Grammys. Asserting that's he's no longer just top 5, he's top 2 and he's not #2. Kendrick would obviously take exception. The artist he's been compared to for the last 4 years just claimed the #1 spot on record.

    "I know I said top 5 but I'm top 2, and I'm not 2, and I got one, thought you had one, but it's not one, nigga nah."

    • The Heart Part 4 (2017): Kendrick becomes the big dog. In the two years since TPAB, Kendrick received a ton of criticism from other artists. Downplaying the impact of the record, downplaying Kendricks skill as an MC. He was being boxed in as the "Black Power" rapper and artists not named Drake (Big Sean, Jay Electronica, Lupe Fiasco) were beginning to feel very comfortable shooting at Kendrick. Then comes The Heart Part 4. This was almost like Kendrick's 5AM in Toronto. He's now established as a top dog in the game, and he let's everybody, including Drake, know. A lot of bars on here could be interpreted as Big Sean disses, but Kendrick counting up to 5 and proclaiming himself as the greatest rapper alive was clearly a response to Gyalchester. Kendrick also name drops JAY-Z, referring to him as Hall of Fame. This could be interpreted as a shot at Big Sean, who has an album of the same name, or Drake, who had just had a public feud with JAY-Z the year before.

    "My fans can't wait for me to son you're punk ass and crush you're whole lil s***. I'll big pun your punk ass, you a scared little b****."

    "Tip toeing around my name nigga you lame, and when I get at you homie don't you tell me you was just playing."

    "Yelling one, two, three, four five. I am, the greatest rapper alive."

    "Hoe JAY-Z hall of fame, sit yo punk ass down."

    "Go celebrate with your team and let victory vouch you, just know the next game played I might slap the s*** out' you."

    "A difference between accomplishments and astonishments."

    • ELEMENT. (2017): Much like The Heart Part 4, this song is also seen as a Big Sean diss primarily. But the 2023 leaked version shows Kendrick was prepared to use this song to kick off the Drake beef officially. Obviously, things changed and he went with a more commercial version, but still had shots. The most direct shot to Drake being a reference to Drake being in Compton shooting the "100" music video, and another call back to the Top 5 lyrics from Grammys. This was also the beginning of the "Bogeyman" narrative surrounding Kendrick, as he begs any rapper to say his name on wax.

    "I don't do it for the gram, I do it for Compton."

    "If I gotta slap a p**** ass nigga, I'ma make it look sexy."

    "Mr. one through five, that's the only logic."

    "Niggas want to flex on me and be in LA for free huh? Next time they hit the 10 freeway, we need receipts huh?"

    "Most of y'all throw rocks and try to hide your hand. Just say his name and I promise that you'll see candy man."

    "Last LP, I tried to lift the black artist, but it's a difference between black artists and wack artists."

    • GOD.* (2017): Kendrick once again trolls Drake's flow. This time copying the flow from Drake & Kanye's song "Glow" no direct shots or subliminal's really.

    • Mask Off Remix (2017): Kendrick's post-DAMN. Victory lap. After years of Drake being able to big bro him in the beef, Kendrick outsells and outperforms Drake in 2017. Kendrick now takes the position of being just as commercial as Drake, while still being true to himself. The gap had finally been closed, authenticity and artistry begin to play an even bigger role in the beef.

    "Platinum, platinum, platinum, gotta look at yourself and ask what happened."

    "How y'all let a conscious nigga go commercial while only makin' conscious albums?"

    "How y'all let the braids on the TV? How y'all let the hood at the table?"

    •Family feud (2017): Interestingly enough, at this point it had been 2 years since Drake sent any direct shots at Kendrick. And honestly at this point there wasn't much he could say. Kendrick was still active, moving the culture, and just as relevant as Drake. These bars are seen as a warning to Meek in case he wanted to start the beef again, but I think it's more directed at Kendrick. Drake sees the gap closing, but makes it clear he can still go there with Kendrick if need be. Possibly the biggest reach of this list, but it tracks.

    "But this ain't all about calling truce I'm, still dishin' out verbal abuse. That s*** could get reintroduced if somebody got something they urging to prove nigga"

    •All the stars (2018): Kendrick had a monster 2017 with the release of DAMN. So monster even Drake had to recognize it. I can't find an exact link to the article, but Drake congratulated Kendrick on his success during an interview. Possibly another olive branch like For Free, but Kendrick clearly wasn't feeling it. He tells Drake to keep his fake praise to himself. And even just plain out states he doesn't like Drake.

    "Fuck you and all your expectations, I don't even want your congratulations"

    "I recognize your false confidence and calculated promises. All in your conversation"

    "You endorsin'? Motherfucker, I don't even like you"

    "I want the credit if I'm losing or I'm winning"

    •Diplomatic immunity (2018): Possibly a little upset at Kendrick dismissing his congratulations, Drake goes back on the offensive for the first time since "100". He reaffirms his position as Kendrick's big homie by referencing songs from To Pimp a Butterfly, U and I. Essentially telling Kendrick he got too much dip on his chip after 2017, and to remember where he came from.

    "They try to compare us but, like a job straight out of high school there's no U and I"

    "I taught you everything you know now you got student pride"

    •Sandra's rose (2018): In 2018 Drake had a lot more to worry about than Kendrick Lamar. He spends the majority of Scorpion going at Kanye West & Pusha T, but made sure Cornrow Kenny caught a stray too with a reference to "Mortal Man" from TPAB. After this we would see Kendrick withdraw from the game for a while due to personal reasons and the 2020 pandemic, essentially surrendering the throne to Drake. At least for the time being.

    "I walk in godly form amongst the mortal men"

    •Family ties (2021): In the 3 years since Sandra's rose, Drake has continued to run the score up. Going on an insane run of #1 hits, and establishing himself as not only the biggest act in rap, but arguably the biggest in the world. With the change in sound hip-hop was going through, some wondered if Kendrick still had a place in this game as a top rapper. Could he still make hits and be relevant to the culture? Or was he going the André 3000 route? This banger with Baby Keem answered all those questions. Kendrick comes with a refreshed energy, addressing his absence, and making it very clear he still sees himself as the best rapper in the world. He once again references the Drake "Top 5" line from Grammys, and makes allegations that Drake's numbers have been falsified. Baby Keem even gets a shot in towards the end as he alleged Drake or, Number 2, was messaging his girl. Reaffirming to Drake they still see him as #2, and insinuating Drake is a thirst god.

    "Smoking on your top 5 tonight"

    "Don't you address me unless it's with four letters"

    "Last year, y'all f***ed up all the listener, who went platinum? I call that a visor. Who the f*** backin' 'em? All been falsified"

    "#2 DM'ing my b****, that's cool, I don't ask why"

    •No friends in the industry (2021): Drake's responds to Family Ties with his most direct shot since Sandra's rose. Much like Scorpion, Drake was pretty preoccupied with Kanye West for this project, but made sure to let Kendrick know he can't touch him in the numbers game anymore.

    "Fuck debating who the GOAT. Better not make this s*** about the numbers all I know, better not make this s*** about the summers all I know"

    •Father time (2022): After Kanye and Drake got back together in 2021 for a Larry Hoover concert, a lot of fans were confused, Kendrick being no different. He likely saw some of himself in Kanye, and wonders how somebody with a mind like Kanye links back up with somebody who's taunted him and his family for years. You can literally hear the disappointment in Kendrick's voice, but he uses it as an opportunity to self-reflect and wonder if he's going about his issues with Drake the wrong way. This was also Kendrick's first time saying Drake's name on wax since "Control".

    "When Kanye got back with Drake, I was slightly confused. Guess I'm not mature as I think, got some healing to do"

    •Churchill Downs (2022): Drake finds a new angle. With Kendrick returning to the game with Mr. Morale and The Big Steppers, not everybody was so impressed. Drake begins to poke at Kendrick's height, and his lack of presence in the game since 2017. He almost seemed offended that somebody who took 5 years off could still be mentioned in the same breath as him.

    "All I hear is tall tales coming from little men"

    "Same ones that say they run the game when they not even in it"

    •The hillbillies (2023): A hilarious parody of "Sticky" from Honestly, Nevermind. No direct shots or subs, but Kendrick and Keem are clearly poking fun at Drake for making a mediocre dance album.

    •AMERICA HAS A PROBLEM (2023): Scary foreshadowing. Kendrick admits that the spirituality he's showcased since Mr. Morale has been a little inauthentic, because there's somebody out there he still REALLY wants to slap the s*** out of. He also warns this artist's day one fans to have some facts on them. Just insane, and makes you wonder how long Kendrick has really been scheming.

    "Truthfully I be lying in my rap songs, cause I always fail to mention I'll slap homie"

    "His career didn't come with no life insurance, hope his day one fans got some facts on them"

    •First person shooter (2023): This is an interesting one, because Drake doesn't really send any shots. Besides calling himself the GOAT, and comparing himself to Michael Jackson, not much on here can track back to Kendrick. J. Cole does mention Kendrick as a member of the Big 3, but then says the Spiderman meme is me looking at Drake. Likely asserting Kendrick's lack of activity puts Cole in that #2 spot officially. It feels like a narrative was being pushed that Drake & Cole were the top 2. Kendrick once again takes exception to this, wondering how these guys are BFF's all of a sudden. Wondering how somebody like Cole aligns himself with somebody like Drake. Hearing Drake flex beating a Michael Jackson record, while giving Cole his first #1. Cole and Drake claiming the top 2 spots? This was the moment Kendrick decided to go nuclear.

    "Who the GOAT? Tell me who you really rooting for. Like a kid who act bad from January to November, nigga it's just you and Cole."

    "Love when they argue the hardest MC. Is it K-Dot, is if Aubrey or me? We the Big Three like we started a league, but right now I feel like Muhammad Ali."

    "Rhyming with me is the biggest mistake, the Spiderman meme is me looking at Drake."

    "Everybody steppers, well f*** it, then everybody breakfast and I'm bout to clean up my plate."

    "Niggas steady talking 'bout when this gonna be repeated, what the f*** bro? I'm one away from Michael, nigga beat it."

    "Stories About My Brother (2023): Once again some insane foreshadowing. This song is Drake once again reaffirming his status as top dog, and shouting out the shooters he keeps around him. He also talks about artists banding together to put a dent in his armor. He then addresses Kendrick, telling him Mr. Morale and The Big Steppers was 'buns'. He also wants Kendrick to know nobody would care if he retired, saying he's not 'Kobe Bryant' to us, possibly a reference to Kendrick & Kobe's 2017 interview. Though some argue these could be Kanye shots as well. The final chapter of subliminal's. Clearly Kendrick had enough.

    "Your last album was buns, you niggas Hawaiian as f***."

    "I can't wait for the day you choose to retire your stuff, takin' off the sneakers cause you tired of lacing 'em up."

    "That's how you gonna find out you not Kobe Bryant to us."

    WHO HAD THE BETTER SUBS??

    Hey guys, I’m making a beef tape on cassette with the following tracks. It’ll be a 120 minute tape. Any suggestions on whether I should replace any tracks?

    Side A
    Control (feat. Big Sean and Jay Electronica)
    The Language
    Pay For It (feat. Jay Rock)
    Energy
    Used To
    King Kunta
    100 (feat. The Game)
    The Heart Part 4
    Element.
    God.
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Family Ties
    No Friends in the Industry
    Father Time

    Side B
    First Person Shooter (feat. J. Cole)
    Red Button
    Like That (feat. Future and Metro Boomin)
    Push Ups
    Taylor Made Freestyle
    Euphoria
    6:16 in LA
    Family Matters
    Buried Alive Interlude
    Meet the Grahams
    Not Like Us
    The Heart Part 6
    Not Like Us (Live)

    I’m trying to make a cohesive list of tracks with direct shots as I only have 120 minutes to work with.

  • Jul 11, 2024
    alpha chino

    Hey guys, I’m making a beef tape on cassette with the following tracks. It’ll be a 120 minute tape. Any suggestions on whether I should replace any tracks?

    Side A
    Control (feat. Big Sean and Jay Electronica)
    The Language
    Pay For It (feat. Jay Rock)
    Energy
    Used To
    King Kunta
    100 (feat. The Game)
    The Heart Part 4
    Element.
    God.
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Family Ties
    No Friends in the Industry
    Father Time

    Side B
    First Person Shooter (feat. J. Cole)
    Red Button
    Like That (feat. Future and Metro Boomin)
    Push Ups
    Taylor Made Freestyle
    Euphoria
    6:16 in LA
    Family Matters
    Buried Alive Interlude
    Meet the Grahams
    Not Like Us
    The Heart Part 6
    Not Like Us (Live)

    I’m trying to make a cohesive list of tracks with direct shots as I only have 120 minutes to work with.

    Replace Energy and Used To with S*** Remix and For Free

  • Jul 12, 2024

    Knew thread was wrong when the BET cypher was brought up

    No mention of Drake just reaching, only time Kenny brings up the boy is when he tryna boost his album sales, Sum Cole wouldn’t do

  • Jul 12, 2024

    ?

  • Jul 12, 2024

    yeah looks comprehensive

  • Papi's Home - verse is about Kendrick - 'sign my name on the DOT'

  • Drake congratulating Kendrick for Damn was under a Complex Instagram Pic , include Papi's Home from CLB and also the facts that Drake dropped HNVM on Kendrick's Birthday , also Drake leaked 'At the Gates' on OVO Noel's Fri Yiy soundcloud show which dissed Kendrick heavily , which is what 'AMERICA HAS A PROBLEM' was responding to

  • Also in the demo of Father Time Kendrick says 'when Meek got back with Drake' instead of Kanye , I think he just wanted to sub Drake