How many well received movies with an all white male cast have been there the past 5 years? Outside of Oppenheimer, Dunkirk, 1917 and The Irishman (which are literally all Oscar caliber movies), I can’t think of much else. Meanwhile, the most generic garbage like Blue Beetle gets a higher RT % than most other movies with white male leads do.

I wouldn’t say critics are blinded by identity, it’s just profitable for the media to push that agenda.

They cloned Tyrone got the highest RT% between Barbie, Oppenheimer and that

Thanks for proving my point

You "cant think of much else?" Do you even watch movies? Just these past 2 years theres been the The Northman, The Banshees of Inisherin, The Fabelmans, Marriage Story, The French Dispatch, Licorice Pizza, Tàr, The Power of the Dog, and I can keep going.

Why wouldn't a blockbuster be rated higher than the average film (which is still led by a white man)? It's not rated any higher than contemporaries like Batman or Shazam (both led by white guys). And again you haven't even seen the movie.

You're the one trying to push an agenda, and it's not working lol.

In fact you're proving mine. Why's it inconceivable to you that They Cloned Tyrone has a higher rating than those movies? Why is having a black lead automatically disqualifying? You're clearly obsessed with race.

I said all white male casts. None of those movies you named are that except banshees of inisherin. Again this is an extremely small number of movies compared to the many random ass streaming algo movies that get 90% on RT just because they’re about minorities like the Half of It or some s***

I already know blue beetles gonna be trash just like Shazam or the Batman. They’re led by white guys but ultimately they also promote a social justice agenda in their narratives (the Batman moreso). Also most blockbusters are trash, what makes them any better than the average film?

I’m not pushing any agenda. I’m just saying this is how the world works today. I’m just not taking stock in critics opinions anymore because they’re worthless

Because ain’t nobody seriously calling it a masterpiece. They’re just scared of actually being critical on it because it’s a poc led movie

Why aren't people who praise it serious? If critics are so scared of bashing a POC led film where's the love for Black Adam?

Critics been bashing the rock since forever. Black Adam was also atrocious

Again your positions are easily debunked.

No film has an all white all male cast, none of the films you are claiming do, including the Banshees. These films aren't an "extremely small minority" by any definition, the majority of films have a mostly white cast and or a white lead.

Its clear you literally believe no film about or featuring minorities should be praised, the accusations of identitarianism are pure projection. Not only should movies be led by white guys, they should cater to your conservative politics in order to be worthy of praise lol isn't that convenient. Since when are blockbusters not better received than the average film? Why are you bringing your own opinion into it, weren't we talking about critics?

You're clearly pushing agenda, at least own up to it.

I never in anyway said no film about or featuring minorities shouldn't be praised. I just said a ton of them don't deserve their praise and inherently will be overrated. That is not to say there can't be great movies but I've seen so many of these heavily praised films that range from Parasite, EEAAO, Moonlight, Get Out, Across the Spiderverse, Creed 3, Shang Chi, and plenty of others thinking that s*** was mid or trash. There's certainly all white cast movies like Marriage Story or 1917 that I didn't find interesting whatsoever but generally it is rarer to see critics praise those kind of movies and when they do, chances are its legit a good movie because its not in their agenda to praise those kinds of movies so the movie seriously has to be good to get their praise.

There are far more indie or smaller films this year that were getting good-great reviews than blockbusters. There were like 5 or 6 blockbusters tops this year with fantastic reviews. (Opp, Barbie, MI, John Wick, Spider Verse, TMNT)

My agenda is to be anti the mainstream media agenda of pretending something is good just because people of color were cast or made it.

hereditary 2nd watch

spoilers

I didn’t feel super excited or emotionally affected after the first viewing. However I found myself thinking about the movie, watching videos about. 3 days later i’m like hail Paimon b****

I watched this not so long ago and very very much preferred hereditary. I’ll get a lot of hate for this, but they’re practically the same movie conceptually

3.5/5

2/5

Disagreeing with critics is one thing, but if disagreeing with you is proof of conspiracy then youre just a narcissist. You only have anecdotes, there's no evidence for your insistence that films with white casts are less likely to get praise and that films with diverse casts are more likely to get rave reviews. I don't share the critics' universal love for films like All Quiet On the Western, The Banshees of Inisherin or 1917, but I'm not gonna start accusing them of "pushing an agenda" for liking a movie I didn't care for.

There is however ample evidence that you're biased against films which don't fit your specific demographic/political criteria and that you only accuse critics of insincerity when the movie they like is outside said criteria. You're the one with a bias and an agenda, which you're projecting it on to others. If anyone should be accused of pretending a movie is good because the characters are played by X demographics, it's you. Do you even like Oppenheimer or are you just glad it's cast is white? Why shouldn't I assume that racism is the reason you dislike EEAO? After all, the demographics of a trailer are enough for you to write off a film.

i’ve actually seen this take a lot. which one did you watch first? i watched midsommar first then hereditary a few days ago and i prefer midsommar but if i watched the movies in order maybe i’d feel differently

I find modern film criticism almost as a whole to be disingenuous. It doesn't matter if I liked a film they praised or not, it is clear they approach film from a matter of its politics, not its actual quality. One can look at a film like Dunkirk, which was so undeniably excellent that critics had to praise it, yet when it came time for the Oscars, critics and voters veered away from promoting it because it didn't fit their agenda of the kind of film they wanted to win serious awards.

What evidence is there that I am biased against films like that? Now you're the one projecting. Simply because I don't like EEAAO, that makes me racist? This is exactly what I am talking about with the agenda of modern film criticism. Mainstream media as a whole has crafted this fake conflict bs where you have to walk on eggshells with any liberal agenda otherwise you are perceived as racist. Saying me not liking EEAAO means I'm racist is no more ridiculous than me saying you not liking All Quiet on the Western Front means you hate white people. But of course only one of those things fits the agenda of the mainstream media with promoting all these mediocre ass POC led movies. I don't need to explain why I think Oppenheimer is an excellent movie unlike EEAAO. I think anybody with a brain can tell that EEAAO is redditor quirky bullshit that is about as adventurous as No Way Home and Oppenheimer is real cinema.

You're the disingenuous one lol, taking your own opinion to be objective while accusing everyone else of operating with ulterior motives. You don't afford anyone the benefit of the doubt you expect for yourself, so stop acting offended. Anyone can reverse your stupid logic on you, thats my point. Why does mediocre s*** like Elvis get Best Picture nomination and not Nope? Must be cause Elvis is white. Why do you think EEAAO isn't even worth talking about? Must be because you hate asians. There is a current of weirdos online who blow a fuse everytime they see minorities in a trailer, why shouldn't I assume you're one? It's like you have no self awareness, making all sorts baseless grand accusations then acting offended when one is leveled at you. I'd never dismiss a movie because the cast looks a certain way while you've repeatedly admitted to doing so.

I can also point to a heavily promoted mediocre film led by a straight white guy which I didn't like and claim its evidence of a plot to promote mediocre straight white guys. Why else would The Fabelmans receive so many accolades? Oh you think its good? Well you're disingenuous clearly pushing a white supremacist agenda.

Even your Dunkirk example is laughable. You decide your opinion is the objective one and all disagreements disengenuine and political in nature. OK. It was nominated alongside movies like Get Out and Call Me By Your Name, which if we subscribe to your view of the world, one of them should've won. In reality they lost, and The Shape of Water took the Best Picture. What agenda was at work there? Fish representation?

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Nope doesn’t get a nomination because it’s a sci fi movie and sci fis have a difficult time getting Oscar love. And no where did I act offended, that’s been all you so far since you’re the one who chose to have this convo with me and you’re the one making accusatory statements on my character. Elvis is better than EEAAO atleast but reality is biopics have always appealed to Oscar voters. I know youre offended because I’ve already explained why I didn’t like EEAAO in my previous post which had nothing to do with its Asian cast and you’re still out here crying like a little b**** that I hate Asians. You’re free to think what you want because I know you stupid snowflake liberal shills won’t ever change your mind and are so brainwashed to instantly believe someone who thinks different from you is a racist and sexist cis white male. It’s clockwork with how easily idiots like you are brainwashed by billionaire backed media.

Fabelmans is from one of the greatest living directors and he’s proven it because he’s legitimately made great movies that changed cinema, not just making mediocre dogshit like Get Out and EEAAO that just had Oscar voters and critics telling you it was good. Hardly anything white supremacist about the facts.

The shape of water is as oscarbaity as you get. Beneath the fish character is a story about a mute white woman and the movie is moreso an artsy Amelie type drama / musical than it is a sci fi. That, get out, and CMBYN were the front runners because of their diverse casts and their stories which were all about minorities or people with disabilities. I actually think CMBYN is a very good movie (and the only thing worth a damn from Lucas filmog) but of course that doesn’t fit your agenda.

You did act offended when called racist lol. All this time you've been crying Hollywood is against the white man! Won't someone give these white films a fair shake! The only person who thinks disagreement is proof of racism is you, but of course you have no self awareness. Dumbasses like you can't self reflect. You've convinced yourself that the most represented demographic in cinema is actually discriminated against so don't talk to me about brainwashing lol you're completely detached from reality.

Again all you're going off is your personal opinion, which is not objective. And the more you keep talking the less seriously I'm taking it, especially seeing how warped it is by political neuroses. Elvis was better than Nope? Lol. And nobody is taking "it's quirky redditor bullshit" as serious criticism.

Why should Spielberg's reputation make The Fabelmans Oscar worthy? I think it's mediocre and you only like it cuz crirics told you it was good, hell its nomination was probably part of an agenda. That's how you sound dumbass. There's no facts about anything you're saying, quit confusing facts with your personal opinion.

You're dodging the point, why would a mute white girl romance win over a sociopolitical horror film or a gay romance if we're to believe what you say about the critics? Why is demographics the real reason they were front runners? Because you personally don't like them? Get over yourself. And Dunkirk was most definetely a front runner to win Best Picture, but that's doesn't suit your narrative either. Obviously you only think CMBYN is good because it has gay characters and you're trying to push an agenda.

I’ve never said Hollywood is against the white man, try again. I’ve said it’s a profitable endeavor for film critics and media to care about diversity and minorities and that’s why their praise of all these mediocre and garbage movies simply because people of color are in them is disingenuous. If you can’t understand how that is clearly different from the ridiculous assessment that Hollywood is against the white man (as if the white man isn’t the one profiting the most from this woke agenda), then you’re beyond hope

I said Elvis was better than EEAAO. And it is because EEAAO is f***ing garbage and a blatant MCU audition film (no surprise that these hacks are directing an episode for some s*** MCU show now as well). Elvis vs Nope is a more fair comparison and I will say Nope is Peeles first semi respectable work in his career though he still has zero identity as a filmmaker, but it’s nice that atleast he’s been channeling real filmmakers styles into the big screen, even if he has none himself.

You’re free to not like The Fabelmans, but it’s made by an actual master filmmaker and I enjoyed seeing just how incredible his craft was in that film. Obviously you are film illiterate so I don’t expect you to appreciate that element though. Also, why would I listen to critics when I’ve been s***ting on them the entire time? Because it has an all white cast? I literally began this debate with you saying I didn’t think 1917 or Banshees of Inisherin were good so why would I care about what critics think?

Dunkirk very early in the Oscar race was a front runner but then the agenda politics kicked in and it was one of the least likely films to win. Everybody knows Get Out, CMBYN and Shape of Water were the 3 big ones. Hollywood sees white women as a minority as well, that’s why dogshit like Women Talking seriously got nominated at the Oscars. A mute white woman romance that also functions as a rebellion story (literally a team of a mute white woman, gay man, and black woman) against big corporate interests represented by an evil cis misogynistic white man is just as woke and identity politics driven as Get Out and CMBYN. Lmfao, so now I’ve gone from a white supremacist to only liking gay people because I liked CMBYN? What’s next? Does liking If Beale Street Could Talk mean I hate everyone that isnt black or Jewish now? Your brain is literally fried