This exactly what I'm talking about, now rappers who display their skills using a fundamental aspect of rap and poetry have nothing to talk about 4:44 out now, Melt My Eyez See Your Future out now, Drill Music in Zion out now

Kendrick has chosen one over the other
And that’s a horrible example 😂.

As I said. It ok to critique Kendrick but he has did the same thing for every album since 2012.

If you want those things combined then listen to those artist but that’s not what Kendrick does anymore.

As a professional music lecturer, I can tell you don't know what you're talking about...none of these albums are good.

There hasn't been a single hip hop album as musically flawless as Mr Morale since it came out and I don't even like Kendrick. Critics don't overlook the flaws...there's just no flaw. It's just you not enjoying something that is objectively flawless. The musical composition is that good.

And no, Kendrick's rapping is optimized for this style.

Edit: Jay was rapping about absolutely nothing.

Ngl I do find your take on this to be kind of amusing and relatively illuminating since your a music lecturer. i too think the composition in mr morale is extremely underrated.

but ima have to disagree with u on jays rapping on 4:44 and your take on objectivity in music. jay was absolutely rapping on 4:44 and music, like all art, is totally subjective.

Art is not always subjective...only the feeling you get from it is subjective. Music quality is totally objective unless you're not qualified to discuss it.

Also, the composition on mr morale isn't underrated. The album got the universal acclaim for it, so it's rightfully rated.

relax nigga i’m talking amongst the general public.

also music isn’t “totally objective” lmao that’s just some s*** elitists and critics say to feel good about themselves

Music is objective, thats the truth... now the question is, are you qualified to discuss music quality from an objective angle? thats another thing.

But it's not an insult, it's ok to be a casual listener, nothing wrong with that. But casual listeners are limited when they have to discuss music, that's for sure. Almoron is a perfect example of it.

why are you using punchlines as an end of all of good lyricism, there's much more to rapping than just that

a song like father time where he says
"I come from a generation of home invasions and I got daddy issues, that’s on me
Everything them four walls had taught me, made habits bury deep
That man knew a lot, but not enough to keep me past them streets
My life is a plot, twisted from directions that I can’t see"

left more of an impression on me than anything denzel said on his album. it's pretty telling that whatever denzel said on his album didn't resonate with anyone as he had to go on twitter and cry about how kendrick album got more attention than it

ganger by veeze has some of the best punchlines ive heard in a while but im not gonna say its better than morale because of it

using denzel album as an example of punchlines and barring out when he saying corny s*** like " run the jewels cause i kill the mic on any LP" is just funny to me

Same song where he says

If he gives up now it’s COST him, life’s a b****
You could be a b**** or step out the MARGIN, I got up quick
I’m CHARGING baskets and falling backwards trying to keep BALANCE

Dope financial scheme.

Father Time love

Red rags high blood pressure cmon man

Oh, this alt from KTT1 who kept claiming to be a "music lecturer" to d***ride Kendrick is back

I already brought this up. This is one of the few times on the album where Kendrick does what I'm talking about

It's not the end all, be all to good lyricism. But it's an important aspect to me, I appreciate having something to catch my ear and make the face. Cole saying something like "9s showing like they in their second trimester". Most of Kendrick's recent rapping is him expressing a message/concept in a pretty straightforward way lyrically, albeit with his impressive vocabulary and flows

You don't fw that Killer Mike bar by Denzel, but it's still an example of wordplay. And there are others throughout the album. Like I said I'm happy to settle this by both of us posting examples from the albums we're talking about Yes, Kendrick executed the theme of therapy and healing better than Denzel did. But what I keep saying is that Kendrick could do that AND still have the rapping I'm talking about. Melt and 4:44 are proof of that. Kendrick is telling a story in Sherane but he still brings what I'm talking about

Anyway, this conversation started because someone said Kendrick would wash Cole for an entire collab album. Listeners judge that on who came harder on a verse. And for most people, that's based on the type of lines I'm talking about. If current Kendrick and current Cole dropped a collab, I highly doubt the consensus would be that Kendrick washed him

As I said if you feel like Kendrick is lacking in that balance then go listen to those albums. I’m not sure what’s the issue? I listen to plenty artist that give me different things I like in music. I don’t listen to kendrick for lupe or hov type lyricism. Instead of wanting everything from an artist just listen to the artist that satisfies your pallet.

It’s ok to critique Kendrick but it’s also ok for people to be completely satisfied with how he raps.

Again, this discussion started because someone said Kendrick would wash Cole on a collab. I'm refuting that by saying why I think current Kendrick is lacking when it comes to rap compared to current Cole. I didn't come in here just criticizing Morale or bringing up albums I think are better. So your "just listen to other albums" suggestion doesn't address the conversation

If you think Morale and how he rapped on there is indicative of how he will rap alongside Cole for an entire album instead of looking at the few times they have rapped together, then I’m not sure what to tell you.

They have been on 4 song songs together and one remix.

They ready (Kendrick has the better verse)
Unreleased temptations and shock the world from like 2012 (Kendrick had the better verses)
American Dream with Jeezy (Cole had the better verse)

Black Friday remixes (Kendrick has the better showing)

They also have rapped on the same beat (shook ones and Kendrick’s verse was better there as well)

The people in this thread are obviously more fans of Kendrick than Coke but we also have seen Kendrick and Cole next to each other and it’s never been an even fight.

Kendrick on a Cole collab would be more Family Ties type raps than the more focused storytelling Morale type raps. So nah I don't think he would be lacking.

it’s crazy cause he does this a lot and nobody ever mentions it lmao

i think kendrick was more punchline heavy in 2011 when he was doing hella features and basically trying to prove himself, and because he pivoted, people talk about him more for his message and from less of a “this nigga is ill” perspective.

but when you listen to him, he is still very ill lmao and honestly as a rapper myself i can say the slick talk and punchlines is actually easier to do than what kendrick does, which is inject bars and cleverness into storytelling and breaking down concepts, without ever deviating the focus.

KDot should have gone on tour w Drake and Cole would have been legendary.

Yea but a full tour would be dope.

They all release within three weeks of each other and then tour together. They can probably go stadiums that way.

why would kdot show up with artists that are way below his level?

Would you expect Prince to perform live with Post Malone?

grammy.com/videos/watch-kendrick-lamar-u2-dave-chappelle-open-2018-grammys-grammy-rewind

Grammys uploaded Kennys performance from 2018 in full quality man such a masterful performance. Doing the XXX verse to the Lust beat was just incredible dude, completely forgot Dave Chappelle was in this performance too

Them not getting him to do Count Me Out or Mother I Sober last was a huge missed opportunity.