I just find it crazy he going nuts about this game but he be playing smash ultimate with dlc and non functioning online services and will pay for this s*** but can't be bothered to be tested and see if the leaks were 100 percent right.

The gaming community is trash

We got a whole game spending time with Ellie and Joel though and how they change as characters in that. That is the context needed for this story. We also get flashbacks in this game that add those layers to make you realize both how Ellie has grown as a character and how Joel's lie has shaped her while also showing just how other people we consider to be the enemy have their own lives and their own viewpoints and their own suffering/revenge.

i said it before, the framework and context is there to make this have sense and weight but they timed it wrong, the execution is wrong and having these flashbacks when we can just play it moving forward for these characters might have changed how we approached this game but here we are.

Social media has really scrambled these dudes brains.

I dont play or like COD after the first black ops

Imagine me spending my free time watching someone play it and then go to a internet to spend more time s***ting on it.

Fam if I dont like something I dont give any energy to it. Lmao

Niggas is miserable

the flashbacks are there to make you feel Ellie's story and motivations before deconstructing it to show the side she is lashing out at. It is a fair and well known storytelling tool.

It could be just me, but all it did was show me why I liked tlou 1, and how these small, quiet moments make us love the game. But again. I felt no connection to the chara that get killed and I prefer if it was happening together and splitting them up.

Even then, that route would be a jumbled mess so I don't have a clean cut route but hopefully you see my side on what I think they were going for.

If that's what it is, Ill respect it.

I mean i love to s*** talk and be a hater, its fun, but if I'm going to hate, playing the game means my voice means something, an the criticism has to be valid.

I can s*** on smash all day because I have 250 plus hours on that boy trying to get gud. But I would never s*** on something I had no part in cause it isn't fair and is a waste of time

Out of sight, out of mind.

ya’ll really pressed still.

smash online is trash and only costs like 20 a year.

I’m paying for multiple services
XBL LIVE & Game Pass, Hulu, Netflix, HBO Max, Disney +, etc.

I watch one walkthrough of a video game that everyone is talking about and give my opinion to discuss it, yeah mann I can spend my time however i want. lol

At the end of the day, I think naughty dog accomplished what they set out for. Neil Druckmann said multiple times that this game would be very divisive and that’s clearly what it is. I’ve seen every opinion imaginable on this game and this game is gonna be discussed for a loooong time. Aside from the trolls and the clowns blindly hating and review bombing, I think there is a lot of good discussion to be had regarding this game as time goes on.

I mean perhaps but even in the first TLOU, I can't say I cared that much about any side character. For me it was Joel and Ellie's story and I cared about both of them.

With TLOU2, I can't say I care about any character that much more, besides Ellie. But I also love how intimate and tender her relationship with Dina is portrayed as, even if she kinda gets sidelined. But yeah, for me where TLOU1 had strong main characters, TLOU2 has a strong main character with extremely heavy, emotional moments and the worldbuilding is far more interesting this time around and I love how we are told a story with such a big cast that allows us to experience many different aspects of this world and the factions. And Abby is certainly a way better villain than any villain we had in the first one.

Also, what do you mean by "happening together and splitting them up"?

Yeah, that’s cool. Nice flex about a broken online system from Nintendo for 20 bucks.

XBL is 60

Hulue is 10
Netflix is 10
HBO Max is another 10
Disney is 8 for roughly 120

You defending yourself about how much money you paying for monthly entertainment on a kanye west fan forum.

That’s nothing to what others make. You can spend all the time you want and try to have an opinion, but you’re only making yourself a clown anytime you pop in any other thread that any words you write should be discredited on the spot.

Nobody is trying to call you broke fam. The point is why are you this invested in something you aren't even willing to buy so you can experience it how the artists intended? Its like watching a montage of the important parts of a season of a tv show

??????

The side characters were never given the love or attention they could have received.I liked Joel and Ellie’s story, but joel wasn’t a saint for what he thought was good.

I frankly didn’t like Dina, but only for being the one person to bog down and make her feel like a chain keeping Ellie down. At the same time as the game progressed, she changed my mind and on the second playthrough, enjoying the interactions a lot more.

By splitting up, when Day 1 and day 2 is happening, as the vents cross together, we play both sides instead of switching it and starting over on some RE2 Leon and Claire situation. So as XXX is in the hospital going down in the basement, Ellie is just getting started. But that would be a mess.

I’m imagining the part with Joel should have been withheld until the mid-point in the way the story. Frankly, the presentation is what I feel makes it a hard pill to swallow and the gameplay being too visceral might make others not able to talk without some emotions involved.

I think with that approach, it would be way too repetitive. Abby's perspective is kinda meant to mirror a number of elements to Ellie's story prior and seeing that constant mirror would def 1. Feel kind of boring that you are doing similar things each time and 2. lessen the impact of that climactic showdown moment that leads to abbys story to understand it

I think the part with Joel happening as early as it does definitely works in that its the hardest emotional gut punch of the series yet imo. It captures everything in that you just did not expect it and as a result that just hits so hard, while at the same time genuinely making you believe in the central story of this game.

They could have gone in a different direction for sure, but I think the one they picked was executed to near perfection. It is just not something that is fan-friendly and I think that is exceptional. It seems fan service storytelling has been way too over abundant lately in cinema and TV and I am glad to see this one not play that game.

Lmao 4chanToThe

If I was to try and cut my words down, my direction is far more palatable to the player but this is not meant to be palatable in that sense. It’s meant to be emotional, divisive, visceral, gut wrenching and this is the end result and it is leaving people a mess, rage quitting, breaking discs and arguing about it for more than 16 pages. If that’s the goal and objective, which it did, It’s a ten out of ten, they set out on it and went to hell and back for it.

What did it cost though in the end? Just like XXXX, it cost everything, but let’s see after some time how others might respond to this.

I think that means it succeeded in being gut wrenching if it made people that mad tbh

I felt all that a lot and I genuinely felt it. Not like when people say Iron Man's death in Endgame was "gut wrenching". This made a clear difference from that s*** in its storytelling.

Yeah miss me with that bullshit

Nah, I don’t give a damn about comic book characters, I don’t watch Marvel but I’m not going to critique it too much since I didn’t watch any avenger films except for the 1st one.

By the time I’m at the end, I’m actually shaking and really didn’t want to do the fight at 4 in the morning and daylight is creeping in through the windows on a sunday morning.

Fam, this s*** was uncomfortable and I can at least grant the game that satisfaction on achieving those goals.

Yeah, imo I tend to prefer storytelling that is like this. Where it genuinely goes for broke and it works for some people and doesnt work for others. I think in general for my taste, I like when risks are taken and while something like The Last Jedi definitely took risks, unlike that movie, this game doesn't seem to have any glaring plot holes or dumb logic errors like that one. It just seems the direction of the story was just too much for people and they were absorbed in their box that Ellie should always be like her 13 year old self.

But yeah I feel you in that the game makes me very anxious and uncomfortable, not just in the story but the gameplay and sound design (those damn whistles )

yeah he’s wylin with that take lmao

I think 2 does offer a little bit more than “go behind a guy and choke him out” but saying it’s better than all of Splinter Cell and MGS is wild

you can use a silenced gun, bow and arrow amid a far more diverse area of many different ways to approach a patrol

and unlike MGS, it is actually challenging to be stealthy in this game

ehhh idk bro
don’t get me wrong I love the stealth options here especially compared to 1 and this is a better game than mgsv in almost every way, but I can’t agree with the notion that it offers more diverse stealth options

a bow and a silenced pistol is pretty limited compared to the options in mgs and splinter cell

I will say tho that the game really excels in how you can move in and out of stealth and transition to action and back to stealth

that is one thing this does better than those games