People were fans because he represented their teenage angst, not because he was exceptionally great
People have now outgrown that teenage angst and all that’s left is annoying skibidibidibidibida raps
Its like Jay-Z, he did something drastically different with 4:44 and people were attracted to it. i hope Eminem can reinvent himself with a new album because he is just too talented to let his career end like this
I disagree on your point that he wasn't exceptionally talented, I think he is a once in a generation type rapper
My favorite thing em has ever done is the hook to Purple Pills lol
lets run it back for the real homies

People outside of his core fanbase are not interested in his personal drama, which he makes a huge focal point of his subject matter. So when you hear an entire album about someone commenting on their own career in excruciatingly specific detail, no matter how self-aware, it gets exhausting. Especially when the personal drama basically extends to other people not liking his music or hating on it, whereas on MMLP the stakes were higher and when he was talking about his career it was about things that most people cared about, like the censorship of music/art, the emotional and mental effects his music had on people, his own personal struggle of growing up poor and abused and overcoming it, are all “real life” s*** that people can in some way relate to and identify with.
People talking s*** about his music, is just simply not something most people can get invested in to care about, no matter how complex the lyricism.
Very well-articulated!
Its like Jay-Z, he did something drastically different with 4:44 and people were attracted to it. i hope Eminem can reinvent himself with a new album because he is just too talented to let his career end like this
I disagree on your point that he wasn't exceptionally talented, I think he is a once in a generation type rapper
Nah, Em’s legacy is solidified. He dropped Encore nearly 20 years ago, and that asinine album couldn’t kill his career, nor could the 0/10 Revival.
Nah, Em’s legacy is solidified. He dropped Encore nearly 20 years ago, and that asinine album couldn’t kill his career, nor could the 0/10 Revival.
I agree that his legacy is solidified, I just hope he can proves the doubters wrong and drop a late career commercial and critical classic like Hov' did. He didn't need 4:44 but it was great to see the man return to a form that he hadn't shown since perhaps the Black Album
I agree that his legacy is solidified, I just hope he can proves the doubters wrong and drop a late career commercial and critical classic like Hov' did. He didn't need 4:44 but it was great to see the man return to a form that he hadn't shown since perhaps the Black Album
I agree that it would be cool to see Em drop a critical success one last time, although I didn’t like 4:44 as much as you did. Honestly Jay and Em are both getting so old that we’re lucky they still drop new music from time to time.
Idk man I never was that big into him
Like he obviously got some dope records but none of them ever make it to my playlist
Ironically I seen him live in Honolulu once
Was so drunk I don’t even remember most of it tho
For me I just find it hard to connect with him despite his high level technical ability
Dude revisit Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP and you will remember that the guy was just built different back then
Eminem Show also legendary. His best imo
I mean he dropped his last good album in 2009 or so, funny that we‘re having this discussion just now
It's simple. The music isn't good. Put on almost any Eminem album and I'm not discriminating to time and put it on shuffle amongst people ANY people. It won't move them. I think Em had plenty of potential to be a good artist but instead of becoming this mature developed artist he let his current fan base gas his head about the least important aspects of his music
He never changed anything. Like you said he's still a legend. Just hasnt made any relevant music for over a decade. End thread
He clearly is just having fun making music these days as passion not to prove anything to anyone lol.

For me, the biggest issue with Em's post 2003 music is too much randomness and experimentation, all without any kind of self-awareness to identify what suits him and what sounds awkward.
TSSLP-TES, Em sounds so authentic with his delivery. But after 8 Mile, he started experimenting with weird voices and accents. After dropping the accent, he developed an obsession with rapping as fast as possible and rhyming as many words as possible, even if the lyrics were pure gibberish, not to mention he started catering to the pop crowd, the same crowd he would've mocked in 2002.
Em's lyrics use to have clever humor, heart, and thoughtful commentary even if it was edgy, but now he only raps to show off his technical skills, which are often presented with a choppy and robotic flow that doesn't fit the beat. A lot of people complain about the corny punchlines and I can't fault them for that, but I'm not trying to bash Em here or sound like a hater. I could look past a few corny lines here and there if the rest of the song was listenable.
Used to be the biggest Em stan back in the day, even bought a copy of Infinite off of Ebay in addition to all of his unreleased mixtapes. Would love to see Em get back into form one day, but this would require a huge change in direction that he doesn't seem to have an interest in. Oh well, he still gave us so many gems in his prime so I'll always have love for Em regardless .
I agree that it would be cool to see Em drop a critical success one last time, although I didn’t like 4:44 as much as you did. Honestly Jay and Em are both getting so old that we’re lucky they still drop new music from time to time.
You do have to give it up to them for at least continuing to do it for the love of the game. I hate to use Frank Ocean as an example because I am most definitely a fan but Its kinda annoying how much acclaim he's gotten over two (fine 3 if you count endless) albums over 10 years. If you can condense Em's last 3 albums into 1 and cut out all the riff-raff, I'm sure the response would be a lot better.
For me, the biggest issue with Em's post 2003 music is too much randomness and experimentation, all without any kind of self-awareness to identify what suits him and what sounds awkward.
TSSLP-TES, Em sounds so authentic with his delivery. But after 8 Mile, he started experimenting with weird voices and accents. After dropping the accent, he developed an obsession with rapping as fast as possible and rhyming as many words as possible, even if the lyrics were pure gibberish, not to mention he started catering to the pop crowd, the same crowd he would've mocked in 2002.
Em's lyrics use to have clever humor, heart, and thoughtful commentary even if it was edgy, but now he only raps to show off his technical skills, which are often presented with a choppy and robotic flow that doesn't fit the beat. A lot of people complain about the corny punchlines and I can't fault them for that, but I'm not trying to bash Em here or sound like a hater. I could look past a few corny lines here and there if the rest of the song was listenable.
Used to be the biggest Em stan back in the day, even bought a copy of Infinite off of Ebay in addition to all of his unreleased mixtapes. Would love to see Em get back into form one day, but this would require a huge change in direction that he doesn't seem to have an interest in. Oh well, he still gave us so many gems in his prime so I'll always have love for Em regardless .
Great response, thank you for your insight
Idk man I never was that big into him
Like he obviously got some dope records but none of them ever make it to my playlist
Ironically I seen him live in Honolulu once
Was so drunk I don’t even remember most of it tho
For me I just find it hard to connect with him despite his high level technical ability
It's weird how we connect to certain artists. For whatever reason, I f*** so hard with Griselda even though I haven't ever been close to selling a brick (yet)
Its like Jay-Z, he did something drastically different with 4:44 and people were attracted to it. i hope Eminem can reinvent himself with a new album because he is just too talented to let his career end like this
I disagree on your point that he wasn't exceptionally talented, I think he is a once in a generation type rapper
I listened to all of his albums last year in one day and what I did is a***yzed all the songs and I noticed on all of his albums were he’s rapping really well there’s a clear subject to the songs or a story.
A lot of his more recent album songs it’s him just rapping to rap. It’s a lot of him trying to prove that he can rap weird words or rap really fast.
I think in his life he used to have s*** to rap about including turmoil in his personal life, d****, newfound fame, and how media used to attack him.
He was controversial and more hungry.
Now he has a lot of lines that are so cheesy and corny I just don’t understand it.
All of his new albums have a couple or a few decent songs but most of the songs are cluttered with trash.
Another thing he used to do on his old albums which was very entertaining was he used to do a lot of Adlibs in the background and a lot of extra little voices in the background which was unique and made the songs more fun.
I listened to all of his albums last year in one day and what I did is a***yzed all the songs and I noticed on all of his albums were he’s rapping really well there’s a clear subject to the songs or a story.
A lot of his more recent album songs it’s him just rapping to rap. It’s a lot of him trying to prove that he can rap weird words or rap really fast.
I think in his life he used to have s*** to rap about including turmoil in his personal life, d****, newfound fame, and how media used to attack him.
He was controversial and more hungry.
Now he has a lot of lines that are so cheesy and corny I just don’t understand it.
All of his new albums have a couple or a few decent songs but most of the songs are cluttered with trash.
Another thing he used to do on his old albums which was very entertaining was he used to do a lot of Adlibs in the background and a lot of extra little voices in the background which was unique and made the songs more fun.
Sheeshhh how stoned were you? Don’t think even the most hardcore Eminem fans can sit thru 11 albums in a row without d**** hahaha. Great reply btw thank you