Yeah, he knowingly used a slur he acknowledged was inappropriate in order to make a point in an artistic context. You don't change minds and get people talking about issues by muting their impact (but at least you'll have moral high ground, I guess).
I challenge someone to write a more impactful and ear catching version of the song with no problematic content. That would be a more meaningful contribution to the discourse around the song than simply passing judgment.
i promise you the song would hit just as hard if he didn’t keep repeating the f word, AND it wouldn’t receive so much backlash from the LGBTQ+ community
would it even change something? do you automatically feel ok with the word being said if it's not kendrick saying it but another voice?
you can’t seriously be asking this on a hip hop forum
do i even have to post the obvious answer?
Like if some white person made that same song but with the n word in the 60s orbwhatever obviously that would be different from doing it now, idk why people are acting like prevailing attitudes at the time don't matter here
but it’s not “at the time”, Kendrick released this song in the year 2022 on the Gregorian Calendar
Kendrick “didn’t know no better” at the time in the story, but the Kendrick Lamar who recorded the song did know better
you can’t seriously be asking this on a hip hop forum
do i even have to post the obvious answer?
it's different from the n word, sexual orientation is not something you can infer from someones physical look and it's also dynamic since it can change through time
Here come the white people. It was never okay for white people to say the n word so this comparison doesn’t even make sense.
and it was never okay for straight people to use the f word, but they said it anyways
you gonna pretend white people never use/used the n word?
it's different from the n word, sexual orientation is not something you can infer from someones physical look and it's also dynamic since it can change through time
thanks for stating the difference between skin color and sexual orientation, but that fact doesn’t help nor hurt either of our points
thanks for stating the difference between skin color and sexual orientation, but that fact doesn’t help nor hurt either of our points
false equivalency as others pointed out
anyway context makes the difference, he's quoting someone saying the word and the word is not directed towards someone, nobody's being called the f word, I don't get why you should feel offended by the sound of the word itself
false equivalency as others pointed out
anyway context makes the difference, he's quoting someone saying the word and the word is not directed towards someone, nobody's being called the f word, I don't get why you should feel offended by the sound of the word itself
so if your argument is that quoting someone else saying a slur is okay if it’s not directed at anyone specifically, then why was it wrong for that white girl to rap the n word when quoting Kendrick’s lyrics not directed at anyone specifically?
so if your argument is that quoting someone else saying a slur is okay if it’s not directed at anyone specifically, then why was it wrong for that white girl to rap the n word when quoting Kendrick’s lyrics not directed at anyone specifically?
i don't feel it's wrong since it's literally a song, context matters a lot either way, i kind of get it if you're hurt by it but I wouldn't feel the same (and there's more than a couple slurs one can direct towards me)
where i'm from white rappers use the n word almost freely since there's no tradition of black slavery in my country, it's just a filler word linked to hiphop culture
when a large portion of people from a minority group tells you that someone’s use of a slur against them is unacceptable & your response as someone not part of that minority group is “but his intent” and “i get why you’re upset but i don’t think it was bad”, you’re part of the problem. there is no wiggle room here.
when a large portion of people from a minority group tells you that someone’s use of a slur against them is unacceptable & your response as someone not part of that minority group is “but his intent” and “i get why you’re upset but i don’t think it was bad”, you’re part of the problem. there is no wiggle room here.
hell yea! you'd get more than 1k likes on twitter with this one
because its insensitive and completely negates his powerful message on the song
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Did u not listen to the song?
Can you not relate?
i don't feel it's wrong since it's literally a song, context matters a lot either way, i kind of get it if you're hurt by it but I wouldn't feel the same (and there's more than a couple slurs one can direct towards me)
where i'm from white rappers use the n word almost freely since there's no tradition of black slavery in my country, it's just a filler word linked to hiphop culture
okay, so this renders all your posts in here about what’s acceptable in the US as uninformed opinions. got it.
okay, so this renders all your posts in here about what’s acceptable in the US as uninformed opinions. got it.
well, sexual orentation discrimination is a worldwide problem
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Did u not listen to the song?
Can you not relate?
if the point of the song was to show Kendrick has matured enough to know it’s not right to use the f word, then using the f word to get that point across shows he acknowledges it’s wrong but chose to use it regardless. it’s absolutely disgusting behavior.
i promise you the song would hit just as hard if he didn’t keep repeating the f word, AND it wouldn’t receive so much backlash from the LGBTQ+ community
I disagree
I think the use of that word is what really drives home the emotional impact of the song and paints a very real picture that is familiar to some and offensive to others
Those of us who remember using that slur so casually feel guilt and are inspired to change while those who are offended are outraged and reminded of the hurt of that era but are also being given the opportunity to see things from the perspective of the other side and perhaps find it in themselves to have compassion and forgiveness for those of us who caused them pain in ignorance
Art should make you uncomfortable sometimes
if the point of the song was to show Kendrick has matured enough to know it’s not right to use the f word, then using the f word to get that point across shows he acknowledges it’s wrong but chose to use it regardless. it’s absolutely disgusting behavior.
matured enough to know what discrimination is*
he recalls when elementary school kids said the word, TOWARDS SOMEONE, to discriminate
as far as I see it there's literally no reason to feel hurt by the sound of the word unless you're surviving some severe discrimination trauma
and I've been called slurs in my life if that somehow matters, those same slurs don't hurt when they're literally quoted words in sentences, especially if the context wants to bring awareness to how those words are used as means to hurt.
I think every functioning human should be able to tell when a word is being used to hurt from when it's just being pronounced in a "sandbox context"
I disagree
I think the use of that word is what really drives home the emotional impact of the song and paints a very real picture that is familiar to some and offensive to others
Those of us who remember using that slur so casually feel guilt and are inspired to change while those who are offended are outraged and reminded of the hurt of that era but are also being given the opportunity to see things from the perspective of the other side and perhaps find it in themselves to have compassion and forgiveness for those of us who caused them pain in ignorance
Art should make you uncomfortable sometimes
so would you be comfortable with a song by a white rapper apologizing for their past use of the n word while using it in the song to drive that point across?
so would you be comfortable with a song by a white rapper apologizing for their past use of the n word while using it in the song to drive that point across?
he literally said that it's emotional because it can make you feel uncomfortable man
matured enough to know what discrimination is*
he recalls when elementary school kids said the word, TOWARDS SOMEONE, to discriminate
as far as I see it there's literally no reason to feel hurt by the sound of the word unless you're surviving some severe discrimination trauma
and I've been called slurs in my life if that somehow matters, those same slurs don't hurt when they're literally quoted words in sentences, especially if the context wants to bring awareness to how those words are used as means to hurt.
I think every functioning human should be able to tell when a word is being used to hurt from when it's just being pronounced in a "sandbox context"
yea so all i’m getting from your post is that you have no idea how people react to slurs in the US. it’s a cultural thing. you literally said in a previous post that it’s common for white people to use the n word in rap where you’re from, so you don’t have the proper perspective to understand the implications of what’s being said on the song. not faulting you for it, but you shouldn’t post like you actually understand why what he’s saying is a big deal culturally when you’re an outsider looking in.
yea so all i’m getting from your post is that you have no idea how people react to slurs in the US. it’s a cultural thing. you literally said in a previous post that it’s common for white people to use the n word in rap where you’re from, so you don’t have the proper perspective to understand the implications of what’s being said on the song. not faulting you for it, but you shouldn’t post like you actually understand why what he’s saying is a big deal culturally when you’re an outsider looking in.
yeah well if american culture is literally getting offended by the sound of a word completely disregarding the context and complex dynamics i'm just more glad i do not live there
politically correctness / cancel culture etc is literally no different than religion/cult in its approach to label things as either good or bad and i'm glad some artists are intelligent enough to realize this and call this out, life is a complex matter