Jun 4, 2020Red in the face
Jun 4, 20206 more days to munch two seasons down
Rogers interesting arc
The shifting dynamics
Petes foreheadF***
- Jun 4, 2020·1 reply
Prezit getting pulled from netflix?
June 10th 😪 best get to work unless you find another stream
Jun 4, 2020·1 reply3DotsJune 10th 😪 best get to work unless you find another stream
I would need at least two months to watch this
- Jun 4, 2020
LANE
- Jun 4, 2020laudi
I would need at least two months to watch this
I would so much love to just slow burn through this show but i cant let it go i need closure
Jun 4, 2020·1 replyWatching Mad Men faded goes crazy, you notices all the layers and amazing screenwriting, the cinematography too
- Jun 4, 2020·editedRCKY 2320
Watching Mad Men faded goes crazy, you notices all the layers and amazing screenwriting, the cinematography too
The sad s*** hits harder too
But when another character is doing d****
Jun 4, 2020·1 replyMy name is Peggy Olsen and I would like to smoke some marijuana
- Jun 4, 2020Jim Halpert
My name is Peggy Olsen and I would like to smoke some marijuana
“You’re gonna get in trouble”
PIMP 💿Jun 4, 2020Roger oozing with charisma
Pete Campbell was 🌽 starting out
Goat series overall
Jun 4, 2020Might finally cop the box set now that it's leaving netflix
- Jun 5, 2020·3 replies
Finished last night
What’d the consensus on how you interpret the ending in here?
- Jun 6, 2020·edited·3 repliesJim Halpert
Finished last night
What’d the consensus on how you interpret the ending in here?
Don found inner peace, then sold it. If you’ve been paying attention, Don explicitly said that the main source for his inspiration when selling ideas to clients is nostalgia. The nostalgia Don is using is not healthy because he is using an idea of how life is supposed to go as seen in advertisements, not how he was actually raised. Hence why he has the breakdown at the end of S6 because he can’t pervert the only honest memory of joy he has.
The final line of the show is “a new you.” With Anna and Betty dead and Stephanie essentially never to be heard from again, no one will ever know D\*\*\* Whitman. With nearly everybody he worked with at Sterling Cooper not working close to him anymore, no one really knows Don Draper anymore.
Throughout the show, you were only hinted at what a big agency like McCann was like. It is soulless, mostly due to the death by 1000 cuts workshopping that ideas have to go through before they are presented to and accepted by clients. They are the height of mainstream culture, and Don is too much of a maverick personally and professionally to know how to integrate himself into that environment.
The final two scenes of the show brings the entire thesis of the series to a close. Mainstream culture has finally understood how to make counterculture marketable. Don no longer needs to use his job as therapy. Advertising is “happiness”, and the Coke ad is what people hoped for when Kennedy was elected.
- Jun 6, 2020·editedlaudi
Don found inner peace, then sold it. If you’ve been paying attention, Don explicitly said that the main source for his inspiration when selling ideas to clients is nostalgia. The nostalgia Don is using is not healthy because he is using an idea of how life is supposed to go as seen in advertisements, not how he was actually raised. Hence why he has the breakdown at the end of S6 because he can’t pervert the only honest memory of joy he has.
The final line of the show is “a new you.” With Anna and Betty dead and Stephanie essentially never to be heard from again, no one will ever know D\*\*\* Whitman. With nearly everybody he worked with at Sterling Cooper not working close to him anymore, no one really knows Don Draper anymore.
Throughout the show, you were only hinted at what a big agency like McCann was like. It is soulless, mostly due to the death by 1000 cuts workshopping that ideas have to go through before they are presented to and accepted by clients. They are the height of mainstream culture, and Don is too much of a maverick personally and professionally to know how to integrate himself into that environment.
The final two scenes of the show brings the entire thesis of the series to a close. Mainstream culture has finally understood how to make counterculture marketable. Don no longer needs to use his job as therapy. Advertising is “happiness”, and the Coke ad is what people hoped for when Kennedy was elected.
- Prez 💎Jun 6, 2020laudi
Don found inner peace, then sold it. If you’ve been paying attention, Don explicitly said that the main source for his inspiration when selling ideas to clients is nostalgia. The nostalgia Don is using is not healthy because he is using an idea of how life is supposed to go as seen in advertisements, not how he was actually raised. Hence why he has the breakdown at the end of S6 because he can’t pervert the only honest memory of joy he has.
The final line of the show is “a new you.” With Anna and Betty dead and Stephanie essentially never to be heard from again, no one will ever know D\*\*\* Whitman. With nearly everybody he worked with at Sterling Cooper not working close to him anymore, no one really knows Don Draper anymore.
Throughout the show, you were only hinted at what a big agency like McCann was like. It is soulless, mostly due to the death by 1000 cuts workshopping that ideas have to go through before they are presented to and accepted by clients. They are the height of mainstream culture, and Don is too much of a maverick personally and professionally to know how to integrate himself into that environment.
The final two scenes of the show brings the entire thesis of the series to a close. Mainstream culture has finally understood how to make counterculture marketable. Don no longer needs to use his job as therapy. Advertising is “happiness”, and the Coke ad is what people hoped for when Kennedy was elected.
Good s***
- Prez 💎Jun 6, 2020Jim Halpert
Finished last night
What’d the consensus on how you interpret the ending in here?
I mean he clearly used his experience on the hippy farm and went back to McCann and wrote the famous coke ad thus reaching the pinnacle of his industry. I was a little confused when I first saw it because I had never seen that ad before but it was a hugely successful ad IRL from what I’ve since learned
However I personally don’t think this means his issues are solved. I see him going back to the same cycle of success and burnout and sexual deviance.
Jun 6, 2020·edited·1 replyJim HalpertFinished last night
What’d the consensus on how you interpret the ending in here?
The main purpose of Mad Men is that it challenges its viewers to consider whether personal change comes through a dedicated effort to correct one's flaws and insecurities or if change is something that happens to a person when the same decisions they make take on a different meaning/effect based on new circumstances.
The show argues the former through D\*\*\*/Don and various supporting characters (Ken, Megan etc.). It's why we even see the creative side of the ad agency in the series. They're meant to dress up a product that has mass appeal to the public but often find themselves at odds with their clients who wish to display themselves in a more simple but earnest way (kinda Freudian but yeah).
But it also makes a case for the latter through Pete, Peggy, Joan, Betty and the way the 60s backdrop is presented. It never fully immerses you in this rapidly changing era because you're detached from all the current events. But the repercussions are felt because these events usher change into the landscape of the ad industry, Sterling-Cooper, politics, and the show's rigid characters.
Don's discontent with how he views himself is evident throughout the entire show. But season 7 is filled with hints galore that he's not long for the ad industry anymore or even life at all. He's virtually given up on being a father figure for his kids but respects their well-being enough to let Betty decide what's best for them. He's loaded to the point where he can hand out million dollar checks like they're nothing. And he's starting to feel like he's seen all there is in the ad industry (His discomfort is palpable when he asks Ted and Peggy what they wish to see in their future. And his fit, or lack thereof, at the behemoth McCann is obvious).
It's why he starts chasing a similar lost soul in Diana. He's forced to sit with his self-hatred and insecurity without all these distractions, so he tries to understand himself by pursuing her. Only, Diana seems damaged past the point of recovery, whereas Don isn't quite at that point yet.
So then he ends up in California. I've seen many interpretations of the final scene, but the only one that makes sense to me is that he eventually sets out for the holy grail of advertising, achieves it begrudgingly at McCann and leaves them high and dry again to re-invent himself once more in a field where he can be himself.
The best things in life are freeeee
Recall that at the old Sterling-Cooper, Don was allowed to work with no contract in exchange for a promise to Roger that when he moves on from SC it won't be to do more advertising. It's either that or he kills himself/"dies of thirst" because there's no way the old Don Draper makes it to 60.
Predictions when it comes to the other characters:
- There's no way Roger and Marie last but they'll be a beautiful shipwreck
- I'm optimistic for Joan. I think it works out for her. If it doesn't, she's got her money and Roger to fall back on, romantically
- I think Pete tires of Wichita fast and finds a reason to blow up his marriage to return to the action in NY.
- Peggy eventually starts her own agency with Stan
- Sally is a wildcard. She seems just as uncomfortable in her own skin as Don but she's also a teenager. I think she wishes to move far away from her parents to breathe and find out who she is, but at the same time feels chained to NY to be her brothers' maternal presence and some form of stability. She is the most tragic character in the show by far
Jun 8, 2020·edited·1 replyBetty is such a unlikeable pos, i hope she dies tbh
- Jun 9, 2020
Draper about to be on his third girl in a row
Jun 9, 2020·edited"I feel sorry for you"
"I don't think about you at all"
- Prez 💎Jun 9, 2020·edited·1 replylaudi
Don found inner peace, then sold it. If you’ve been paying attention, Don explicitly said that the main source for his inspiration when selling ideas to clients is nostalgia. The nostalgia Don is using is not healthy because he is using an idea of how life is supposed to go as seen in advertisements, not how he was actually raised. Hence why he has the breakdown at the end of S6 because he can’t pervert the only honest memory of joy he has.
The final line of the show is “a new you.” With Anna and Betty dead and Stephanie essentially never to be heard from again, no one will ever know D\*\*\* Whitman. With nearly everybody he worked with at Sterling Cooper not working close to him anymore, no one really knows Don Draper anymore.
Throughout the show, you were only hinted at what a big agency like McCann was like. It is soulless, mostly due to the death by 1000 cuts workshopping that ideas have to go through before they are presented to and accepted by clients. They are the height of mainstream culture, and Don is too much of a maverick personally and professionally to know how to integrate himself into that environment.
The final two scenes of the show brings the entire thesis of the series to a close. Mainstream culture has finally understood how to make counterculture marketable. Don no longer needs to use his job as therapy. Advertising is “happiness”, and the Coke ad is what people hoped for when Kennedy was elected.
would only disagree with you on a couple things.
he introduced his kids to d*** whitman so they know him. it's not like he shut the door on who he truly is. he showed them his childhood house and was honest with them about his upbringing. at some point years down the road, I would imagine him eventually telling sally the full story of how he got his name.
and there are still people at mccann who know don, most notably peggy but also probably a few other guys I'm forgetting (ted, etc). so I don't know that it's "a new you" to the extent you've described. as I stated above, I don't see the new don being long lasting. i think the ebbs and flows of his struggled existence continue after the coke ad.
and did don really use his job as therapy? idk. it gave him purpose and he was good at it so like anyone's career it was very important to his identity but what you said about how he perverted nostalgia is more on point. advertising isn't honest, it's a manipulation, so i dont so much see it as his therapy.
- Jun 9, 2020·edited·1 replyPrez
would only disagree with you on a couple things.
he introduced his kids to d*** whitman so they know him. it's not like he shut the door on who he truly is. he showed them his childhood house and was honest with them about his upbringing. at some point years down the road, I would imagine him eventually telling sally the full story of how he got his name.
and there are still people at mccann who know don, most notably peggy but also probably a few other guys I'm forgetting (ted, etc). so I don't know that it's "a new you" to the extent you've described. as I stated above, I don't see the new don being long lasting. i think the ebbs and flows of his struggled existence continue after the coke ad.
and did don really use his job as therapy? idk. it gave him purpose and he was good at it so like anyone's career it was very important to his identity but what you said about how he perverted nostalgia is more on point. advertising isn't honest, it's a manipulation, so i dont so much see it as his therapy.
His kids know about his past but He didn’t lie about himself in the same way to them. They just know him as their father and probably won’t care what his name is. Sally already has a deep mistrust of him, Gene is a baby, and the middle child will just think it’s a cool story.
McCann isn’t like SC; there’s no intimacy. The last 3 episodes show that everyone is working on different floors reporting to different people. Bert is dead, Pete and Joan switched jobs, Roger retired, and Peggy has a different boss, might switch jobs later
“ did don really use his job as therapy?”
A Running motif through the show is Don working as an excuse not to face any emotional issues (the suitcase). S6E7. Jim gives Don speed and Don spends the entire weekend realizing how he lost his virginity is why he wants Sylvia back. In fact, it’s mostly the reason Megan wanted a divorce. Don would rather lie about having a job then be with his wife
The ending is up to interpretation whether Don decides to internalize the spiritual awakening he gained from the retreat. You say he doesn’t, I say he does since he finally confronted his issues with no one to hide behind. head canon: he gets back together with Faye and lives happily ever after
- Jun 9, 2020Emery Atreides
Betty is such a unlikeable pos, i hope she dies tbh
Betty had a hard life
- Jun 9, 2020·edited·1 replyBD32
The main purpose of Mad Men is that it challenges its viewers to consider whether personal change comes through a dedicated effort to correct one's flaws and insecurities or if change is something that happens to a person when the same decisions they make take on a different meaning/effect based on new circumstances.
The show argues the former through D\*\*\*/Don and various supporting characters (Ken, Megan etc.). It's why we even see the creative side of the ad agency in the series. They're meant to dress up a product that has mass appeal to the public but often find themselves at odds with their clients who wish to display themselves in a more simple but earnest way (kinda Freudian but yeah).
But it also makes a case for the latter through Pete, Peggy, Joan, Betty and the way the 60s backdrop is presented. It never fully immerses you in this rapidly changing era because you're detached from all the current events. But the repercussions are felt because these events usher change into the landscape of the ad industry, Sterling-Cooper, politics, and the show's rigid characters.
Don's discontent with how he views himself is evident throughout the entire show. But season 7 is filled with hints galore that he's not long for the ad industry anymore or even life at all. He's virtually given up on being a father figure for his kids but respects their well-being enough to let Betty decide what's best for them. He's loaded to the point where he can hand out million dollar checks like they're nothing. And he's starting to feel like he's seen all there is in the ad industry (His discomfort is palpable when he asks Ted and Peggy what they wish to see in their future. And his fit, or lack thereof, at the behemoth McCann is obvious).
It's why he starts chasing a similar lost soul in Diana. He's forced to sit with his self-hatred and insecurity without all these distractions, so he tries to understand himself by pursuing her. Only, Diana seems damaged past the point of recovery, whereas Don isn't quite at that point yet.
So then he ends up in California. I've seen many interpretations of the final scene, but the only one that makes sense to me is that he eventually sets out for the holy grail of advertising, achieves it begrudgingly at McCann and leaves them high and dry again to re-invent himself once more in a field where he can be himself.
The best things in life are freeeee
Recall that at the old Sterling-Cooper, Don was allowed to work with no contract in exchange for a promise to Roger that when he moves on from SC it won't be to do more advertising. It's either that or he kills himself/"dies of thirst" because there's no way the old Don Draper makes it to 60.
Predictions when it comes to the other characters:
- There's no way Roger and Marie last but they'll be a beautiful shipwreck
- I'm optimistic for Joan. I think it works out for her. If it doesn't, she's got her money and Roger to fall back on, romantically
- I think Pete tires of Wichita fast and finds a reason to blow up his marriage to return to the action in NY.
- Peggy eventually starts her own agency with Stan
- Sally is a wildcard. She seems just as uncomfortable in her own skin as Don but she's also a teenager. I think she wishes to move far away from her parents to breathe and find out who she is, but at the same time feels chained to NY to be her brothers' maternal presence and some form of stability. She is the most tragic character in the show by farPete has unlimited access to a private jet
Why buy the farm if you can get the milk for free?I think Peggy and Stan go to another existing agency that’s more free-spirited before starting an agency. A female run ad agency is rough in the ‘70s, even ‘80s.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Don does something with cars tbh. The way McCann did their focus testing is so at odds with Don’s artistic processes that I believe he doesn’t renew his contract.