Jan 7
GoshIt’s a boy scrapped ya think?
It’s A Boy is still on recent merch at last Dreamville Festival
- Jan 7·1 reply
Experiment626Yeah but I feel like hip hop is synonymous with jazz so I can’t credit just Kendrick for that.
For KOD Cole said he went to a DAMN concert and decided to work on that album because of how inspired he was, I don’t believe it was a planned release.
With how much Cole is inspired by Kendrick I wouldn’t doubt he inspired 4YEO I just personally don’t see it
4YEO was inspired by his real life homie and Fayetteville youth, idk why niggas keep tryna attach it to Dot. Thats just KOD and Cole openly admitted it lol
one of the beats on 4YEO is a beat straight from SoundCloud. that nigga was just tryna rap his thoughts of his city and his homies life on beats. one of the songs for the album was made in 2014FHD sessions before TPAB even dropped
Jan 7i dont see the point of anyone doing this. firstly it ruins the surprise (iyrtitl was an insane day) and secondly artists will just push it back or scrap s*** if you ruin their rollout (nyt blonde by frank ocean)
Jan 7Will be a one and done listen just like every Cole project post-FHD
Jan 7·2 repliesValentine4YEO was inspired by his real life homie and Fayetteville youth, idk why niggas keep tryna attach it to Dot. Thats just KOD and Cole openly admitted it lol
one of the beats on 4YEO is a beat straight from SoundCloud. that nigga was just tryna rap his thoughts of his city and his homies life on beats. one of the songs for the album was made in 2014FHD sessions before TPAB even dropped
It’s definitely not as connected as KOD and DAMN, I do think people might exaggerate it by connecting the jazzy production, but at the same time, there is probably something there
The biggest similarity where it’s obvious Cole took cues from TPAB was doing the “She’s mine pt 1 and 2” interludes which imo with that timing was a clear mirror of For Free and For Sale interludes.
KOD wasn’t an isolated incident, it was just the most obvious and admitted. Once gkmc hit Cole was studying. You can tell by Cole humble nature he is the type to study his peers, and when Kendrick won, Cole was happy “chasing him” like he said on stage recently. If you look at the succession of albums broadly:
gkmc➡️2014FHD
TPAB➡️4YEO
DAMN➡️KODIt’s hard to ignore the trend of similarities both sonically and thematically.
And that doesn’t mean Cole was being fully unoriginal. I don’t disrespect any of these albums. And this does not in any way diminish the obvious fact that Cole was expressing real s*** in his life on the albums and had true inspiration. But he was also deeply inspired by Kendrick’s first 3 albums like we all were. And clearly was following his lead on some level.
Oh and TPAB has a beat from bandcamp. That ain’t saying s*** tbh lol
- Jan 7·1 reply2words
It’s definitely not as connected as KOD and DAMN, I do think people might exaggerate it by connecting the jazzy production, but at the same time, there is probably something there
The biggest similarity where it’s obvious Cole took cues from TPAB was doing the “She’s mine pt 1 and 2” interludes which imo with that timing was a clear mirror of For Free and For Sale interludes.
KOD wasn’t an isolated incident, it was just the most obvious and admitted. Once gkmc hit Cole was studying. You can tell by Cole humble nature he is the type to study his peers, and when Kendrick won, Cole was happy “chasing him” like he said on stage recently. If you look at the succession of albums broadly:
gkmc➡️2014FHD
TPAB➡️4YEO
DAMN➡️KODIt’s hard to ignore the trend of similarities both sonically and thematically.
And that doesn’t mean Cole was being fully unoriginal. I don’t disrespect any of these albums. And this does not in any way diminish the obvious fact that Cole was expressing real s*** in his life on the albums and had true inspiration. But he was also deeply inspired by Kendrick’s first 3 albums like we all were. And clearly was following his lead on some level.
Oh and TPAB has a beat from bandcamp. That ain’t saying s*** tbh lol
Forest Hill Drives was inspired by the killing of Michael Brown
we really need to stop glazing Kendrick for everything. KOD is openly admitted as direct inspiration of what Kendrick was doing. these niggas are brothers, ofc they were probably in the same creative mindsets but only one album has been mentioned as direct inspiration and all others have been described as to what inspired them as well. Cole don’t really lie
- Jan 7·1 replyValentine
Forest Hill Drives was inspired by the killing of Michael Brown
we really need to stop glazing Kendrick for everything. KOD is openly admitted as direct inspiration of what Kendrick was doing. these niggas are brothers, ofc they were probably in the same creative mindsets but only one album has been mentioned as direct inspiration and all others have been described as to what inspired them as well. Cole don’t really lie
Albums can have more than one inspiration, but I assume you know that
I’m not saying it to glaze Kendrick, I literally prefer Cole. It’s just obvious in the albums. Like blatantly obvious to anyone with any musical ear at all
- Jan 7·1 reply2words
Albums can have more than one inspiration, but I assume you know that
I’m not saying it to glaze Kendrick, I literally prefer Cole. It’s just obvious in the albums. Like blatantly obvious to anyone with any musical ear at all
the albums are entirely different and made within their own worlds and with their own inspirations bruh
that’s like someone saying for whatever reason oh Illmatic directly influenced Ready to Die or It Was Written directly influenced Life After Death because Biggie kept tabs heavy on Nas
like you wouldn’t accept that opinion, let’s cut the s***. Cole explicitly stated KOD was inspired by DAMN. that’s it
- Jan 7·2 repliesValentine
the albums are entirely different and made within their own worlds and with their own inspirations bruh
that’s like someone saying for whatever reason oh Illmatic directly influenced Ready to Die or It Was Written directly influenced Life After Death because Biggie kept tabs heavy on Nas
like you wouldn’t accept that opinion, let’s cut the s***. Cole explicitly stated KOD was inspired by DAMN. that’s it
Yes I would. It’s documented fact that Big called Premier for Unbelievable after hearing Illmatic lol. And Ready to Die album art is not what it is if Illmatic doesn’t happen.
None of these albums were made in their own world in a vacuum. No, they were made in the same world we all live in. And in Biggie and Nas case it all happened in New York so a much smaller world. There was even more crossover and influence of peers going on in that period and area.
And also, saying something influenced something isn’t a diss. I feel like that’s part of why people wanna “defend” against these type of theories. But there’s nothing wrong with Big being influenced by Nas.
there’s nothing wrong with the fact that Nas then made It Was Written as a direct response to Ready To Die’s more mainstream approach, which Nas had to experience first hand losing to that album at the Source awards. This colored his approach for the next album. Nothing wrong with that.
Similar with Kendrick and Cole. I just don’t think we get those particular 3 narrative concept albums that we got from Cole in a world where Kendrick doesn’t fully innovate and perfect the hip hop concept album around the same time with his albums. To me, him making an album like FHD was him reacting to Kendrick raising the bar in a similar way that Nas did after Big.
A Tale Of Two Citiez doesn’t get made in a world that mAAd city doesn’t get made imo. The subtle similarities are there and I always thought this living it in real time too.
I just imagine the same way Cole felt about DAMN, he felt about gkmc. He may never said it, but it’s not a stretch. He wanted to make his own album that told a story front to back about his adolescence while also having a bunch of anthems and hits an overall pallettable sound. And the album ends up being more than that but idk man it was always there for me. Gkmc was a monster but then so was FHD.
- Jan 7·1 reply2words
Yes I would. It’s documented fact that Big called Premier for Unbelievable after hearing Illmatic lol. And Ready to Die album art is not what it is if Illmatic doesn’t happen.
None of these albums were made in their own world in a vacuum. No, they were made in the same world we all live in. And in Biggie and Nas case it all happened in New York so a much smaller world. There was even more crossover and influence of peers going on in that period and area.
And also, saying something influenced something isn’t a diss. I feel like that’s part of why people wanna “defend” against these type of theories. But there’s nothing wrong with Big being influenced by Nas.
there’s nothing wrong with the fact that Nas then made It Was Written as a direct response to Ready To Die’s more mainstream approach, which Nas had to experience first hand losing to that album at the Source awards. This colored his approach for the next album. Nothing wrong with that.
Similar with Kendrick and Cole. I just don’t think we get those particular 3 narrative concept albums that we got from Cole in a world where Kendrick doesn’t fully innovate and perfect the hip hop concept album around the same time with his albums. To me, him making an album like FHD was him reacting to Kendrick raising the bar in a similar way that Nas did after Big.
A Tale Of Two Citiez doesn’t get made in a world that mAAd city doesn’t get made imo. The subtle similarities are there and I always thought this living it in real time too.
I just imagine the same way Cole felt about DAMN, he felt about gkmc. He may never said it, but it’s not a stretch. He wanted to make his own album that told a story front to back about his adolescence while also having a bunch of anthems and hits an overall pallettable sound. And the album ends up being more than that but idk man it was always there for me. Gkmc was a monster but then so was FHD.
Tale of 2 Citiez is literally just a story about his city from 2 different perspectives bruh, this way too much overthinking when the artists have stated what the inspiration is
- Jan 7·edited·1 replyValentine
Tale of 2 Citiez is literally just a story about his city from 2 different perspectives bruh, this way too much overthinking when the artists have stated what the inspiration is
Smh
Again things can have more than one inspiration
Often a life inspiration and a music inspiration
You telling me coles life inspirations to detract from what his musical inspirations might be
It’s not overthinking but whatever. Yall love to underthink and oversimiplify is really what it is.
- Jan 7·2 replies2words· edited
Smh
Again things can have more than one inspiration
Often a life inspiration and a music inspiration
You telling me coles life inspirations to detract from what his musical inspirations might be
It’s not overthinking but whatever. Yall love to underthink and oversimiplify is really what it is.
Cole has made tale of 2 Citiez almost exactly on FNL
again, overthinking this s*** just to feel right in your, again, opinions. all my posts have been quotes from the artist or producers bruh - Jan 7Valentine
Cole has made tale of 2 Citiez almost exactly on FNL
again, overthinking this s*** just to feel right in your, again, opinions. all my posts have been quotes from the artist or producers bruhAre you talking topically or musically? I don’t think there’s beats or hooks that sound like that on FNL
- Jan 7·1 replyValentine
Cole has made tale of 2 Citiez almost exactly on FNL
again, overthinking this s*** just to feel right in your, again, opinions. all my posts have been quotes from the artist or producers bruhThis where we disagree too
I don’t need to only base everything on the word of the artist and producers because I’m also capable of interpreting their art. And imo you can learn a lot from that. Artists only can tell us part of the story in these quotes you’re using. And none of the quotes or real life stories you’re bringing up detract from the fact that Cole was chasing Kendrick from a musical/album perspective during this time and it just is what it is
- Jan 7·2 replies2words
This where we disagree too
I don’t need to only base everything on the word of the artist and producers because I’m also capable of interpreting their art. And imo you can learn a lot from that. Artists only can tell us part of the story in these quotes you’re using. And none of the quotes or real life stories you’re bringing up detract from the fact that Cole was chasing Kendrick from a musical/album perspective during this time and it just is what it is
yea we’re done, enjoy teaching AP Lit or some s*** 30 years since the artists input doesn’t matter. bruh what lmfao
- Jan 7·1 replyValentine
yea we’re done, enjoy teaching AP Lit or some s*** 30 years since the artists input doesn’t matter. bruh what lmfao
Where did I say it doesn’t matter lmao
Ask Cole if gkmc had an impact on him what you think he’s gonna say
- Jan 7·2 replies2words
Where did I say it doesn’t matter lmao
Ask Cole if gkmc had an impact on him what you think he’s gonna say
Cole has spoken on the influence of FHD (a young black man getting murdered by which he did Be Free) and 4YEO (his homie who didn’t make it out of the hood)
that’s where I’ll leave it. but you have a blessed day, hopefully I’ll get to ask Cole one day and circle back lol
Jan 7·1 reply2wordsIt’s definitely not as connected as KOD and DAMN, I do think people might exaggerate it by connecting the jazzy production, but at the same time, there is probably something there
The biggest similarity where it’s obvious Cole took cues from TPAB was doing the “She’s mine pt 1 and 2” interludes which imo with that timing was a clear mirror of For Free and For Sale interludes.
KOD wasn’t an isolated incident, it was just the most obvious and admitted. Once gkmc hit Cole was studying. You can tell by Cole humble nature he is the type to study his peers, and when Kendrick won, Cole was happy “chasing him” like he said on stage recently. If you look at the succession of albums broadly:
gkmc➡️2014FHD
TPAB➡️4YEO
DAMN➡️KODIt’s hard to ignore the trend of similarities both sonically and thematically.
And that doesn’t mean Cole was being fully unoriginal. I don’t disrespect any of these albums. And this does not in any way diminish the obvious fact that Cole was expressing real s*** in his life on the albums and had true inspiration. But he was also deeply inspired by Kendrick’s first 3 albums like we all were. And clearly was following his lead on some level.
Oh and TPAB has a beat from bandcamp. That ain’t saying s*** tbh lol
Not everything is pattern recognition.
Jan 7·1 replyValentineCole has spoken on the influence of FHD (a young black man getting murdered by which he did Be Free) and 4YEO (his homie who didn’t make it out of the hood)
that’s where I’ll leave it. but you have a blessed day, hopefully I’ll get to ask Cole one day and circle back lol
Can artists not be inspired by multiple things?
If it only happened once, we would not have a discussion about this but Coles major 3 album run takes definitely some inspiration from Kendricks album run at that time. Its not like that makes these albums worse. It just is what it is.- Jan 72words
Yes I would. It’s documented fact that Big called Premier for Unbelievable after hearing Illmatic lol. And Ready to Die album art is not what it is if Illmatic doesn’t happen.
None of these albums were made in their own world in a vacuum. No, they were made in the same world we all live in. And in Biggie and Nas case it all happened in New York so a much smaller world. There was even more crossover and influence of peers going on in that period and area.
And also, saying something influenced something isn’t a diss. I feel like that’s part of why people wanna “defend” against these type of theories. But there’s nothing wrong with Big being influenced by Nas.
there’s nothing wrong with the fact that Nas then made It Was Written as a direct response to Ready To Die’s more mainstream approach, which Nas had to experience first hand losing to that album at the Source awards. This colored his approach for the next album. Nothing wrong with that.
Similar with Kendrick and Cole. I just don’t think we get those particular 3 narrative concept albums that we got from Cole in a world where Kendrick doesn’t fully innovate and perfect the hip hop concept album around the same time with his albums. To me, him making an album like FHD was him reacting to Kendrick raising the bar in a similar way that Nas did after Big.
A Tale Of Two Citiez doesn’t get made in a world that mAAd city doesn’t get made imo. The subtle similarities are there and I always thought this living it in real time too.
I just imagine the same way Cole felt about DAMN, he felt about gkmc. He may never said it, but it’s not a stretch. He wanted to make his own album that told a story front to back about his adolescence while also having a bunch of anthems and hits an overall pallettable sound. And the album ends up being more than that but idk man it was always there for me. Gkmc was a monster but then so was FHD.
Idk why you deleted you’re other post