PleaseDelete đDec 21, 2023¡2 replies
be2ye¡ editedItâs not that managers get âtoo much powerâ, the problem is that the board or decisionmakers âdonât take enough control and responsibilityâ because they donât know enough about football to run the club on a performance based merit. They make commercial decisions at almost every turn and prioritize the marketability of signings over the development of their football strategy. And not to mention the horrid financial decisions, transfer negotiations, transfersums and wages.
The people who pay the players just hand bags of money over because the manager supposedly greenlighted them? Whose fault is that?
They should have installed people to direct the club under a cohesive vision and mission. With a whole slew of people under them.
Not just a single sporting director. And mind you, Ralf Rangnick openly opposed anything the Glazers did and implicated their incompetence. Do you think he couldâve stayed any longer? Youâre merely guessing Erik didnât want to work with him.
Im sorry but this is so nonsensical its not even worth engaging with this mess of a post
- Dec 21, 2023PleaseDelete
Im sorry but this is so nonsensical its not even worth engaging with this mess of a post
Shouldâve said the same in response to you i guess
Dec 21, 2023be2ye turning this thread into a tldr
Dec 21, 2023¡1 replyPleaseDeleteIm sorry but this is so nonsensical its not even worth engaging with this mess of a post
He has room temp IQ on anything that isnât mindlessly defending a failing manager.
Heâs an Ajax fan who apparently coaches children football so he has this weird self-input where he thinks managers are hard done by and itâs everything else that is at fault and no culpability can lie on the managers doorstep.
Genuinely, for your own sanity, youâre better off ignoring him and avoiding dealing with the same tired rhetoric ad nauseam
- Dec 21, 2023Grenouille
He has room temp IQ on anything that isnât mindlessly defending a failing manager.
Heâs an Ajax fan who apparently coaches children football so he has this weird self-input where he thinks managers are hard done by and itâs everything else that is at fault and no culpability can lie on the managers doorstep.
Genuinely, for your own sanity, youâre better off ignoring him and avoiding dealing with the same tired rhetoric ad nauseam
And your enlightened take is: ten hag out?
Donât act morally superior lol
- Dec 21, 2023
The fact no one can engage me on my âtired rethoricâ shows you why i am forced to keep repeating myself
- PleaseDelete đDec 21, 2023¡1 replybe2ye
Itâs not that managers get âtoo much powerâ, the problem is that the board or decisionmakers âdonât take enough control and responsibilityâ because they donât know enough about football to run the club on a performance based merit. They make commercial decisions at almost every turn and prioritize the marketability of signings over the development of their football strategy. And not to mention the horrid financial decisions, transfer negotiations, transfersums and wages.
The people who pay the players just hand bags of money over because the manager supposedly greenlighted them? Whose fault is that?
They should have installed people to direct the club under a cohesive vision and mission. With a whole slew of people under them.
Not just a single sporting director. And mind you, Ralf Rangnick openly opposed anything the Glazers did and implicated their incompetence. Do you think he couldâve stayed any longer? Youâre merely guessing Erik didnât want to work with him.
The first sentence already so funny
you say the board and decisionmakers dont know enough about football. Maybe they should get a coach that has more ball knowledge then - Dec 21, 2023¡1 replyPleaseDelete
The first sentence already so funny
you say the board and decisionmakers dont know enough about football. Maybe they should get a coach that has more ball knowledge thenSee this is genuinely a stupid post.
You want the owners to employ a manager as the one solely responsible for the club and call that a football structure for the behemoth that is United?
- PleaseDelete đDec 21, 2023¡2 repliesbe2ye
See this is genuinely a stupid post.
You want the owners to employ a manager as the one solely responsible for the club and call that a football structure for the behemoth that is United?
You either say he doesnt get the players he wants and then blame the board and when he gets exactly the players he wants and they are mediocre you also blame the board for listening to his wishes
Which one is it - Dec 21, 2023¡2 replies
Iâve put this guy on block because I genuinely donât want to have to read his drivel every time I open this thread.
Just an example of his nonsense that he somehow thinks is correct:
âYouâre merely guessing Erik (sic) didnât want to work with himâSource 1: espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37629549/ten-hag-role-rangnick-exit
Source 3 - a direct quote from Fabrizio Romano: m.allfootballapp.com/amp/news/Headline/Erik-ten-Hag-wanted-to-decide-with-his-own-ideas---Fabrizio-Romano-makes-bold-claim-on-why-Rangnick-left-Manchester-United/2842465
Source 4: mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/erik-ten-hag-manutd-rangnick-26846414.amp
- Dec 21, 2023PleaseDelete
You either say he doesnt get the players he wants and then blame the board and when he gets exactly the players he wants and they are mediocre you also blame the board for listening to his wishes
Which one is itAgain i say: get a proper DOF, recruitment and financial decisionmakers instead of a manager to list targets. Invite the manager to share his thoughts on the available targets and go from there.
- Dec 21, 2023¡1 replyPleaseDelete
You either say he doesnt get the players he wants and then blame the board and when he gets exactly the players he wants and they are mediocre you also blame the board for listening to his wishes
Which one is itThis is his argument in a nutshell. He has been disproven multiple times by myself, Mamba, King of Pop, even Oblivion and other posters in this thread, yet he festers around like a terrible odour.
- PleaseDelete đDec 21, 2023¡1 reply
Regardless if you have an amazing sporting director like Freund. The coach should always be consulted. If the coach wants idiotic players no sporting the best sporting coordinators cant do s***
- PleaseDelete đDec 21, 2023Grenouille
This is his argument in a nutshell. He has been disproven multiple times by myself, Mamba, King of Pop, even Oblivion and other posters in this thread, yet he festers around like a terrible odour.
I just copied my old post.
- Dec 21, 2023Grenouille
Iâve put this guy on block because I genuinely donât want to have to read his drivel every time I open this thread.
Just an example of his nonsense that he somehow thinks is correct:
âYouâre merely guessing Erik (sic) didnât want to work with himâSource 1: https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37629549/ten-hag-role-rangnick-exit
Source 2: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10949399/amp/Man-United-sever-Ralf-Rangnick-ties-Erik-ten-Hag-DIDNT-want-work-him.html
Source 3 - a direct quote from Fabrizio Romano: https://m.allfootballapp.com/amp/news/Headline/Erik-ten-Hag-wanted-to-decide-with-his-own-ideas---Fabrizio-Romano-makes-bold-claim-on-why-Rangnick-left-Manchester-United/2842465
Source 4: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/erik-ten-hag-manutd-rangnick-26846414.amp
Didnât need to block me right after responding.
But i appreciate you for pointing out my wrongs. I admit this as a wrong decision and failed opportunity by ten Hag.
- PleaseDelete đDec 21, 2023Grenouille
Iâve put this guy on block because I genuinely donât want to have to read his drivel every time I open this thread.
Just an example of his nonsense that he somehow thinks is correct:
âYouâre merely guessing Erik (sic) didnât want to work with himâSource 1: https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37629549/ten-hag-role-rangnick-exit
Source 2: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10949399/amp/Man-United-sever-Ralf-Rangnick-ties-Erik-ten-Hag-DIDNT-want-work-him.html
Source 3 - a direct quote from Fabrizio Romano: https://m.allfootballapp.com/amp/news/Headline/Erik-ten-Hag-wanted-to-decide-with-his-own-ideas---Fabrizio-Romano-makes-bold-claim-on-why-Rangnick-left-Manchester-United/2842465
Source 4: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/erik-ten-hag-manutd-rangnick-26846414.amp
This man clearly came and thought he was gonna be the next Pep and Klopp lmfaooo
- Dec 21, 2023¡1 replyPleaseDelete
Regardless if you have an amazing sporting director like Freund. The coach should always be consulted. If the coach wants idiotic players no sporting the best sporting coordinators cant do s***
How would a manager be responsible for wanting an âidioticâ player. Heâs not a scout. From a list of good targets (where there are no bad apples) he could impossibly pick an âidiotic playerâ is my point.
Do you think Ancelotti or Zidane (the ones suggested here) are what they are because they have amazing scouting insights? No they probably depend on a whole slew of a***ysts warning them which one to avoid and which one to look at.
- PleaseDelete đDec 21, 2023¡1 replybe2ye
How would a manager be responsible for wanting an âidioticâ player. Heâs not a scout. From a list of good targets (where there are no bad apples) he could impossibly pick an âidiotic playerâ is my point.
Do you think Ancelotti or Zidane (the ones suggested here) are what they are because they have amazing scouting insights? No they probably depend on a whole slew of a***ysts warning them which one to avoid and which one to look at.
Some coaches dont demand players that end up flopping yes.
- Dec 21, 2023¡1 replyPleaseDelete
Some coaches dont demand players that end up flopping yes.
Because they donât depend on their own scouting insights. Most, if not all, good coaches get help in that area.
Dec 21, 2023¡1 replyTen Hag can have a questionable eye for talent and our recruitment people can also be terrible. They're both true.
- Dec 21, 2023Glitter Boy
Ten Hag can have a questionable eye for talent and our recruitment people can also be terrible. They're both true.
I can agree with that.
Plus, what hurts United even more than the recruitment are the insane transfersums and wage bills.
Even if they had the same players but on lower sums and wages, it wouldâve hardly led to the same crises.
Dec 21, 2023¡2 repliesETH need all these things to survive in the job fine
Heâs directly told us he wants full control which would negate those roles
The problem isnât the set up then, which he has repeatedly told us he loves, itâs the man himself not being good enough or smart enough to realise itâs not in his realm to make all these decisions.
Iâve told you all he was a bullshitter for months and it wasnât just because we lost a game or two.
- Dec 21, 2023¡1 replyKingOfPop
ETH need all these things to survive in the job fine
Heâs directly told us he wants full control which would negate those roles
The problem isnât the set up then, which he has repeatedly told us he loves, itâs the man himself not being good enough or smart enough to realise itâs not in his realm to make all these decisions.
Iâve told you all he was a bullshitter for months and it wasnât just because we lost a game or two.
Even Pep has admitted he owes a lot of his consistency to the footballing structure set up by the City owners
- PleaseDelete đDec 21, 2023¡1 replybe2ye
Because they donât depend on their own scouting insights. Most, if not all, good coaches get help in that area.
Theyre old school. They wouldnt come to a club demand 90 milion for their old players and the sacking of the sporting director
- Dec 21, 2023¡1 replyPleaseDelete
Theyre old school. They wouldnt come to a club demand 90 milion for their old players and the sacking of the sporting director
He literally wanted Antony for 40m early in the transfer window (still wouldâve been a bit overpriced).
But it was Richard Arnold and co who couldnât get the deal done until the end who ended up paying 80/90m