HaroldsChicken

3mo

Spider man yes
Brian k Vaughn
SHINTARO Kago
Jodorowsky

Only the weird stuff for most part

HaroldsChicken

3mo

Guys if the home trilogy was logically as good as you say they wouldn’t wait half a decade to make more movies . They waited longer than asm2 to homecoming and as long as spider man 3 to asm 1

Stop and think to yourself why that is. Why did it take that long . Why did holland say he wants to see a good script

Why did the script and plot of no way home change so much

The s***s are going to make money regardless spider man is that big of a franchise but they had to course correct some and remember why people love the character

Purrp

3mo

Spider- Man’s character is inherently guilty. that is what the whole mantra that’s core to his character is about. vulnerable. In this scene he owns up to what’s been weighing on him for months and what he sees as his weakest moment and in this vulnerablity he’s rejected. Idk what else you want from a film I know you hate raimi glaze but you’re brushing off a extremely real human moment, played with no music and one long shot of him actually acting his ass off to defend the MCU movies of all things

HaroldsChicken

3mo

Stark being so central to his story that he can use a stark internship to cover up . Comparing the vulnerability and humanness of Tobey maguire spider man to hollands based on just the writing not even the nostalgia is baffling . Tobey was best at being both well . Having to have a secret identity , job and unique situations he missed out on .

bmass

3mo

Home trilogy carried by Peter finally suffering in the third film

Purrp

3mo

Again idk what to tell you bro. - YES that’s what realistic about it. That is how human beings act in real life, they don’t just joke their way out of it. You’re being hit in the face with cinema from multiple angles in that scene and responding with the weakest retort of a scene with part of its emotional weight having to do with iron man taking away Pete’s super suit 😭

Meanwhile the raimi scene is central to Peter and May’s relationship moving forward and moves us towards closing that thread in the raimi films.

There is no more need to rehash Ben after - it’s a climatic character moment leading us to the resolution of their arc in this film which is her forgiving him and encouraging him to take up the mantle of Spider Man again bc it’s what Ben would have wanted and it’s what New York (which is basically itself a character in the first two raimi films represented by the way its people respond to and support spiderman that also makes it feel like real living place in a way it doesn’t in the mcu) needs.

It’s central to him being honest with his loved ones, central to him growing as a person and ultimately leads him to be honest with himself about who he needs to be and the sacrifices that come with that which is the WHOLE POINT OF THE MOVIE AND THE ETHOS BEN DIES TO INSTILL. Ben’s influence is in quite literally everything Peter does as spiderman until he gets big headed asf in the third bro

bmass

3mo

Oh I see now

Purrp

3mo

Again idk what to tell you bro. - YES that’s what realistic about it. That is how human beings act in real life, they don’t just joke their way out of it. You’re being hit in the face with cinema from multiple angles in that scene and responding with the weakest retort of a scene with part of its emotional weight having to do with iron man taking away Pete’s super suit 😭

Meanwhile the raimi scene is central to Peter and May’s relationship moving forward and moves us towards closing that thread in the raimi films.

There is no more need to rehash Ben after - it’s a climatic character moment leading us to the resolution of their arc in this film which is her forgiving him and encouraging him to take up the mantle of Spider Man again bc it’s what Ben would have wanted and it’s what New York (which is basically itself a character in the first two raimi films represented by the way its people respond to and support spiderman that also makes it feel like real living place in a way it doesn’t in the mcu) needs.

It’s central to him being honest with his loved ones, central to him growing as a person and ultimately leads him to be honest with himself about who he needs to be and the sacrifices that come with that which is the WHOLE POINT OF THE MOVIE AND THE ETHOS BEN DIES TO INSTILL. Ben’s influence is in quite literally everything Peter does as spiderman until he gets big headed asf in the third bro

bmass

3mo

There’s a hero in all of us

Yeah she knew

That speech is peak

Purrp

3mo

Am I crazy

Did I crash out

bmass

3mo

No you were right but I don’t think most people dissect scenes n themes like that

Not in a they didn’t get it sense just like they don’t view stuff in that way in general

HaroldsChicken

3mo

You wanted her to go at him lol. She eventually realizes 100% he is spider man and that he can’t save everyone as he realizes with Norman , Harry and doc ock

chip skylark

3mo

Oh stop it, Tony is central to the entire universe but I bet you didn’t cry as much when 3/4 Avengers movies were influenced mostly by his actions. Cap 3 might as well been iron man 5 if we bring for real

As far as Stark goes: If Tobey can find new daddies in most of his movies and be them always being the driving force of him just saving MJ again; why can’t a teenager look up to Tony, who is the central figure in the entire MCU?

Anyways, all 3 of his movies not a single use of Tony tech helped him win at the end which goes along with the theme of Pete becoming his own man. Instead of, “save the ginger because another mentor of yours found out who you are again”

“Unique situations” , yeah repeating “A mentor in his life turned crazy after an experiment and they stole MJ and debate on if they should be together”.

chip skylark

3mo

No, would of been nice for her to actually talk to him about being Spider-Man and Ben, instead of just speaking vaguely at a garage sale to motive him to be a hero again

Purrp

3mo

Nuance, gravity and character specific emotional stakes unrelated to iron man lmao

chip skylark

3mo

Homecoming: proving he doesn’t need a suit to be a hero
FFH: Learning to take responsibility and hold himself accountable.
NWH: Doing the right thing and sacrifices

Purrp

3mo

In the most reductive of replies

Homecoming: cleaning up iron man’s mess
Far from home: cleaning up iron man’s mess
Far from home: cleaning up spider man 1-3, and TASM1-2’s mess

HaroldsChicken

3mo

Soon punisher hulk and x men set up

All in 2.5 hours while also no way home after math . With at least a little bit of doomsday prep

HaroldsChicken

3mo

You want her to directly lecture him about being spider man when the vague s*** is what made it special . If she directly knows and he dies the next day after she gives him advice how does she live with that

Purrp

3mo

In the most reductive of replies

Homecoming: cleaning up iron man’s mess
Far from home: cleaning up iron man’s mess
Far from home: cleaning up spider man 1-3, and TASM1-2’s mess

chip skylark

3mo

No, it would have been nice to console him, acknowledging how much he’s hurting, show some type of worry. Storming off then next time you see her she’s being sweet and talking in riddle

how can she live with it? Same way she’s been when Pete’s parents and Ben died.