Bad Finger Boogie

2y

Need Lil B to drop a new classic to revitalise the entire industry and breathe new life into music as a whole

Spice Stone

2y

little jacob!

Block Muteson

2y

The entire poptimist thing was essentially that companies, once they got subsumed into Conde Nast, they had to sort of provide results in the form of clicks and engagement. They built an entire ideology that rolled art and identity into one to cover for the fact that they needed to just tell people what Beyonce was doing all the time.

It's like a survival mechanism. If Beyonce gets the most clicks, then we ideologically need to feel that this is the most compelling music in the world. She's actually the best, right?

And I'm not saying that pop music doesn't have artistic merit or anything, but it's just the idea that they were like all of the sort of counter-cultural, crazy creative energy is actually coming from the least counter-cultural space of all. It's wild that they sold everybody on that.

It's a real shame because like, I don't know, I feel like we could have had this potential to have a place that supported like really weird music. I remember when they had their vertical Altered Zones where they would cover even like more kind of out there music than they were covering on the website. Then sound like, what was that, like 2014 this Poptimism thing happened where it's like, here's why Taylor Swift is actually great. And then it was kind of like encouraging the sellout in a way where everyone thought, oh, well then, you know, this is what's next, no matter what kind of music you make, if you make something even remotely pop, then under the guise of Poptimism, you could be next, you know?

I think we sacrificed a lot of actually interesting music. Myself included like I fell into the pressure of this time where it's like, I could have gone a different route and made weirder music. But at that time, it was all about this like, no, pop is actually a really beautiful medium, which I still believe, you know, but I think that they took it.

It took it to the extent where it's like, no matter what anyone did, if it didn't have this like poptimists lean, it wasn't really part of their thing that they were working, you know? And so it wasn't as interesting. I feel like it was sort of on a delay where pop music took another six to eight years to really live up to that challenge. I feel like Renaissance was the Beyonce album that should have been talked about the way they talked about Lemonade.

They were in the same thing with Taylor Swift, like, they popped that a little bit too early and the music they were talking about was just very bland. Then everything that came after it that took it really seriously, you know, some like like hyper pop sort of was a sort of continuation of that. And some of that is like legitimately subversive and weird. But by that point, everything was so flattened that it just didn't matter. Like, in terms of platform.

They kind of built this thing to cover for a giant sellout. It didn't even seem like they were consciously aware of that. I think it's just convenient to create a worldview that justifies the thing you have to do to get clicked.

It gets you yelled at the least. That's exactly it.

• Zola Jesus and some others

Block Muteson

2y

All of those Jurassic World movies broke a billion. Oppenheimer didn't.

Batman made Nolan's career.

1996 BRL

2y

If we keep it a bean
The decent setup is what sounds good

Vinyl doesn't sound better than CDs/lossless digital

Spice Stone

2y

i dont think u understand poptimism like u think u do

its not about hyping up taylor or beyonce, they were gonna get hyped up regardless

its about appreciating pop music and the art of creating a deceptively simple catchy bop regardless of who makes it. a bop is a bop. Lolo Zouai is incredible. etc

insertcoolnamehere

2y

Until Spotify decides to YEET your fav artist catolog in a swiftie

There are crucial and legendary mixtapes that an entire generation might never hear (in its original state) due to sample clearances making them have to b******ize the damn product before it hits streaming or just not being able to make streaming at all.

Misfit

2y

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those were PG 13 movies about dinosaurs, oppenheimer was a 3 hour rated R movie with the last third of it being a procedural drama

insertcoolnamehere

2y

Like Gen Z potentially will never hear this

Don’t tell me how great streaming is dawg lol

Free YoungBoy

2y

Physical media is still important/valuable when it comes to books, games, and movies.

Physical music just isn’t valuable in the same way. CD’s and Vinyls are just merch atp.

ImportedOliveOil_

2y

What are you talking about? Vinyl number are crazy high. People love merch.

Free YoungBoy

2y

You don’t need a CD to listen to classic tapes though. If I wanna listen to da drought 3 I could cop a download online and add it to my local files on whatever I app listen to music on. It’s just less accessible

browser

2y

The entertainment industry as a whole. Thought that when I saw the taraji stuff. Obviously there’s race and gender involved there with that situation specifically but overall we have to face reality that art is inherently not necessary to our survival so the hundreds of millions of dollars/infrastructure that fueled the great media landscape of the 70’s-2000’s may have just dried up because of the direction the world has went + piracy

Niggas starving and people not getting paid enough for music or film is getting farther and farther down the list of important s***. I’m not in favor of it but maybe the way things were for the past 40 years was then…and this is now

Block Muteson

2y

A lot of s*** exclusive to streaming doesn't get a physical release. You know where it is? Online. You know how most people consume media? Online. If you want to hoard, get a hard drive. Setup a NAS. I barely even rewatch movies lol.

CDs? Vinyl? You gonna walk around with a CD player too? Cars aren't even going to have CD players.

You've got your little apple crates at home in your doomsday bunker full of Kanye and Gambino vinyl. Those are posters with frisbees in them. You aren't an archivist. You're Ash Ketchum on Discogs

insertcoolnamehere

2y

It’s just less accessible

…that’s exactly what im saying.

The times where rappers used to create sustaining careers off of downloadable mixtapes is over cause where are the datpiffs/famous platforms for those today?

And that is still somewhat physical in the sense you still own that file. It’s why itunes was such a happy medium because it was digital but you could still buy and own that album.

Now you cant download or purchase anything. And like I mention earlier, a Snoop Dogg scenario can wipe away s*** in a flash lol

ImportedOliveOil_

2y

you’re incredibly uninteresting and on some straight loser s***. Have fun with your NAS and pirated p***.

Free YoungBoy

2y

I’d say at least half the people buying them aren’t listening to them and instead buying them as collectors items or artwork. Plus you have to have a whole vinyl player to even use them.

It doesn’t have the same utility of a book where you buy the book and read it as the main method of consumption or you buy a game and put the disc/cartridge in your console as the main method of using it.

Block Muteson

2y

It's cool you want a Frank Ocean coaster man. Just don't pretend you're in the Library of Alexandria.

Never conflate being interesting with your possessions. That might full b****es you bring home. Not me

JR

2y

she killin s*** amid the chaos of the industry. Big 3 is Drake, Nicki and Cole now

Jim Halpert

2y

Do not argue with people who think physical media is worthless.