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“I love bands that you hate, you love bands that I hate, and that’s a beautiful thing. No one’s musical taste fully aligns with anyone else’s. As much as we argue over music, we realize that taste is subjective, and we can all live with the understanding that we all enjoy different artists.

However, taste is different than music itself. In taste, there is no right or wrong because it’s about what you enjoy, and no one can change that.

But it doesn’t change the fact that you might enjoy terrible, objectively bad music.”
And that’s ok!! I like some bad music m! Everyone can like something bad. It’s ok

You right

people are dying outside, cookies

Music is a science. Why else do you need to study music theory to make good music

dude said please read before commenting and didn't even explain why it's objective

hint: it's not

Nah you are stupid as f*** and pretentious for even posting this

Get off your high horse and be f***ing humane

It’s right there idk how else to tell you

Not it’s not

It’s all based on opinions, preferences and taste

I genuinely believe Thriller is the greatest album of all time, you may not, we both wouldn’t be wrong because at the end of the day it’s all opinionated

Stop trying to force people to believe otherwise

music (and art) is intersubjective imo. There are qualities lots of people might agree are what makes for good art true. This can interesting and valuable. However you then have to ask who are these people and why do they prioritize certain qualities? It's often a well educated, middle/upperclass white male narrative.

If quality of art is objective then you have to point to what these objective criteria are? The quality of things like harmony/melody/timbre are very hard to prove objectively. They don't exist external to the world itself and they're usually determined by people in certain positions of power

I think u can find things in music to objectify such as technical skill, the harmonic complexity from a music theory point of view, etc. However at the end of the day the actual question of "is this good or bad sounding" is entirely subjective and up to the individual.

Cookies is what it would be like if butters from south park joined KTT

Post Malone objectively makes bad “music”

There’s no such thing as bad or good music, you’re pretentious and egotistical if you think you’re important enough to deem someone’s art as bad or good

dam

Nah thriller is the greatest album of all time that s*** is fact not subjective!!!!!!

This guy is so f***ing dumb LMAO

man really said "they need to be good in certain criteria to be considered good" but you would still subjectively judge each of those criteria lmao

if music could be objectively judged in any reliable sense then you could release the same kind of album over and over again and it would always be equally good - but thats not how it works. the way we judge the quality of music is based on an interplay between the current cultural context and our own personal taste and perspective on that context. as the cultural situation changes, so does the music and so do whatever metrics of quality we have. going beyond that, trying to criticize “objectively” involves the subjective decision on the part of the individual to prioritize certain objective criteria in assessing music, not to mention that judging based on these criteria (let’s say for lyrical rap, you judge based on rhyme density, complexity of rhyme schemes, entendres, other objectively quantifiable things) is the laziest and least effective form of criticism. it’s easy to describe what a piece of music does and match it up with some checklist that you feel is important to music; it’s much more difficult and much more meaningful to convey how the music made you feel and how it fits in the current cultural landscape from your vantage point.

That’s ok cause that’s your taste but it’s objective that that is a good album. If someone says it’s bad they’re wrong

Zones opions are worth more than others have you not figured this out yet? What is he supposed to say it’s a fact?

You’re entitled to believe whatever you want to but there’s no such thing as a good album