and this right here is always the problem, and why art cannot possibly be objective as much as singular people’s opinions want it to be

the artist & listener are often focused on and desire different things. that's the source of irritation you feel each time you hear something unfamiliar. there are qualities that bypass individual focuses and desires & genres and classifications, qualities that act as a bridge from heart to heart, but to even discuss the mechanics of that requires a belief in something outside yourself. if i am not the sum of all things, who is? what power? what happens when that power switches? when a better argument is made? there's either self-sourced progress or a belief in divine authority.

yo BIT ch look familar

op probably in the crowd booing and talking s*** on twitta

Title and op are dripping with arrogance and pretentiousness its quite disgusting

What are you so angry about fella

I hate that this is normal behavior for you. Your opinion isnt worth anything more than the next mans.

All art is objective but there's layers in each argument.

You could say the White Album is the greatest album ever made or Kind of Blue and there's legitimate arguments for both.

You can say that Bad or Take Care are the greatest album ever made and you'd be wrong. And I f***ing love Take Care.

music is objective and I admit that my taste is s***
just like yours

All opinions are not equal

exactly

i will let you have this

for now....

technical skill doesn’t correlate directly to quality. it is something that ALLOWS you to make quality. It doesn’t simply end up in you reaching some sort of quality. There are still the subjective sides to artistic expression that prevent a surgical and sterile outlook to music

OP says music is objective but can't name one objective, measurable quality of 'good' music that inherently separates it from 'bad' music

You can sense it/hear it

This is true as well. This is part of what I meant in my earlier post about layers to the conversation.

This applies to my favorite art form, movies. You can make the most technically sound film ever, but if there's no soul to it, or ingenuity in the camera work and great performances, it was a waste. It's much easier to make something look beautiful than it is to make it feel beautiful.

Qualia is subjective.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia

Labeling everything as subjective is not a good thing to do

No its very subjective

Why

It like a participation trophy in a sense
It’s just to make people feel good

No, it's because music is objectively subjective.

What aspect of a piece of music makes it good? If it was objective, you should be able to explain something specific and measurable.

Can I ask when and why subjectivity and objectively became a thing?

Thread should've ended right there