altruistically caping - i appreciate it

I went to college and stayed with a homie for a week and he randomly kept bumping bh for like that whole week.

Them weird niggas had a following lol

i had a friend who leaked me some tracks early, and yes they did have a following, but i also don't like them

and that's that on that

The way BH fell is proof they aint had THAT big a team around them fam

Brockhampton has and always sucked

finally

I wasn't a fan but Sister/nation, Tokyo, jesus are nice

stuff like this is so interesting to me because is there any tangible way you could explain his dad working for obama actually helped his career? i feel like we try to assume connections come from certain things but could never actually explain what exactly those connections created

him being from a top 5 music city in the country and coming out at the same time as chief keef and getting the donald glover cosign were like the actual things that got the ball rolling for him.

chicago was red hot and chance naturally being himself had the juxtaposition factor on his side and the gambino cosign that opened doors, you add that with great music and lateral collaborations at the height of the blog era and you get acid rap

and it’s wild cause like i said there are artist rn where you look at the release on spotify and it says no label cause the label is hiding their name, but we gonna s*** on actual indie artists because we wish the journey was harder for them

when in reality we should just like the music we like

this is a massive false equivalency

the demo of bh’s audience would have never went for that. 2018 was the height of the me too era. i feel like you’re not acknowledging any of the context surrounding why it would go that way.

Didn't Ameer set up one of the members to get robbed? Thought it was more than just the me too s*** lol

i would agree if people actually talked about the niggas who are secretly signed, but we don’t. people are s***ting on artists that never perpetrated about anything

what this boils down to is people not paying attention to the business (which they shouldn’t) but then letting their lack of knowledge fuel a crusade against artists who never lied.

doechii is like the biggest example of this rn, from the tde deal to the capitol deal to the first hit record to the grammys we saw it all step by step, but people who don’t pay attention to what’s happening in rap are acting like she’s a plant and came out of nowhere despite being publicly signed and making hits for years. artists shouldn’t be stoned because ignorant niggas wanna feel like they know something!

i’m speaking about why the audience wouldn’t wanna see him stay in the group at the time, the social climate with that particular type of base was never gonna allow that.

i’m not even getting into their personal business cause it’s not for me to speak on

U leaving out having a manager to invest millions into you helps a lot

(aint that what a manager supposed to do?)

Dont think every manager got that kinda payroll lol.

And having an apple exclusive deal at your peak while still championing the “im really indie yall” thing left a bad taste in the mouths of many ppl both fans and ppl within the industry.

Doechii hate is mainly cause she dark skin and queer nothing more nothing less.

Oh I do. Like i said the “underground” term for these young ragers is the phoniest s*** ever.

drake was indie but had 4 wayne features and hella huge names on sfg.

kendrick was indie but had rza on section80 and promoted it with a clip of him playing it for pharrell before its release.

2025 rap fans would have crucified both of them for this lmao. when in reality they truly weren’t signed. sometimes people just get really excited about new artists that can be transformative for the genre we all love. but rap “fans” are so cynical now we spend less time loving the genre and more time tanking conspiracies to pick apart someone’s success before it fully comes to fruition

i’m just saying we need to reset for the betterment of hip hop

Nah we wouldnt cause as fans that was there we woulda remembered “oh yeah, drake had that brand new song that jaz prince (who found this nigga on myspace) brought to wayne who remixed it and brought him along on tour”

Or “oh yeah, thats right ignorance is bliss off od got dre to look at him so by section 80 he was already moving and grooving through the industry.”

We dont even hear those stories anymore of how an artist gets discovered which adds to the cynicism. There was a lot more transparency in the blog era cause…well the blogs was documenting EVERYTHING.

I do believe hip hop need a reset tho.

do you have anything to substantiate his managers wealth in 2013? i’ve heard that before but ive never seen any tangible evidence of it

and i will say, to be independent is to not have a major label deal, which chance never had. so even if his manager was investing in him, that wouldn’t make him any less independent, he just has more access to capital, which a lot of indie artists have.

and i remember the apple controversy and tbh i always felt that was overblown. a two week exclusive release for one streamer before going wide didn’t make him not own or control the music, it actually points to just how indie he is. he just licensed it to them first.

any indie artist with a big audience could pull off a similar thing at any platform. if i make a movie and only let one theater have it before i do a wide release, does that make the film no longer indie? a store isn’t the same as the product maker/distributor

What’s funny about having a good manager?

i get what you mean

i would say that would be the fault of artists shying from media + media not asking the right questions. actual storytelling and documentation is really lost in this era.

the volume of interviews 2010s rappers have vs 2020s rappers is staggering

Ameer screwed himself. Stop blaming management

When you have interviews of ppl like Brent (another successful indie act) and his manager talking about how they wanted to emulate chance and pat. Along with the lawsuit adding details of how he was sufficient in chance’s success and a big part of why he was able to do what he did without a label…

And we see how messy and all over the place the roll out for The Star Line was, it adds credence to “damn, this nigga really had money behind him” which is a lot more capital than a lot of indie acts like…say a MIKE who in spite of his great manager naavin’s work, obviously makes the bulk of his $$$ doing these long tours throughout the year (idk if chance ever had to do as many “long” tours coming up as MIKE has had to do in his commercial peak now) which adds the difference between some money behind you and a life changing amount of money behind you.

And the apple deal (if I remember correctly) meant it was more promo from apple to push the album. Yeah, any artist can decide to drop on another streaming platform early (ask ye and beyonce how that worked out for them, and them niggas was signed acts) but most times that works against most acts favor.