PrinceAlexander

5y

You clearly don’t know how this works and Lebron was arguably the most hyped player ever coming out of the draft using him as a comparison is ass backwards.

No he wouldn’t be a bust if he ended up a top 15 player but he’d still come short of expectations.

A top 15 player is still a hofer tho with a historic career, many all star appearances, all nba selections, and likely atleast one championship and maybe even an mvp or finals mvp.

Unless u think lonzo ball is going to wind up being a perennial all star than he’s a bust for where he was picked.

If you get picked top 5 in the nba the consensus is that you’ll atleast have a couple years at an all star level and if u don’t Ur a disappointment for the franchise that drafted you.

This isn’t rocket science no need to get in ur feelings.

Mel

5y

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You don't know how it works if you don't get the comparison was for scale.

A good player in the NBA isn't exclusive to top 15, 20, 30, or even 40.
It makes no logical sense to label him a bust when he's been a good performer.

You're simply wrong unless you want to attach your own definition of bust to include 'expectations' relative to performance to an extreme level where every top 10 pick needs to be a perennial all star.

But that is just obtuse, unfair, and serves little point because expectations as a career progresses change anyway. The real expectations of a player a few years into the league is the salary you pay a player. What's even the value of describing the value of a player using bust as an adjective based outdated expectations of draft numbers? Maybe you could say he was a "bust" for the Lakers, but even that's unfair because evaluating NBA prospects isn't a science. No one knows for sure how someone will develop or perform in short/long run.

The only reasonable thing to do is gauge your expectations towards the performance they've shown. Their objective benchmark of good performance in the NBA and the cutoff isn't 1st team/Allstar level play throughout their career. Lonzo has played at an objectively good level and will be paid accordingly. What he's paid IS his expectation of performance, not his draft number.

Also no ones emotional, the argument on your side is just irrational and makes no sense.

SEREN1TY

5y

I’m from New Orleans and a pelicans fan. Lonzo started playing like an all star PG towards the end of the season.

Kdogone

5y

Lonzo absolutely is a bust. You don’t get drafted #2 overall and the media coverage he was getting just to be a solid role player

SHAQUILLE

5y

So Evan Turner isn’t a bust?

Mel

5y

You don't know how it works if you don't get the comparison was for scale.

A good player in the NBA isn't exclusive to top 15, 20, 30, or even 40.
It makes no logical sense to label him a bust when he's been a good performer.

You're simply wrong unless you want to attach your own definition of bust to include 'expectations' relative to performance to an extreme level where every top 10 pick needs to be a perennial all star.

But that is just obtuse, unfair, and serves little point because expectations as a career progresses change anyway. The real expectations of a player a few years into the league is the salary you pay a player. What's even the value of describing the value of a player using bust as an adjective based outdated expectations of draft numbers? Maybe you could say he was a "bust" for the Lakers, but even that's unfair because evaluating NBA prospects isn't a science. No one knows for sure how someone will develop or perform in short/long run.

The only reasonable thing to do is gauge your expectations towards the performance they've shown. Their objective benchmark of good performance in the NBA and the cutoff isn't 1st team/Allstar level play throughout their career. Lonzo has played at an objectively good level and will be paid accordingly. What he's paid IS his expectation of performance, not his draft number.

Also no ones emotional, the argument on your side is just irrational and makes no sense.

SEREN1TY

5y

I’m from New Orleans and a pelicans fan. Lonzo started playing like an all star PG towards the end of the season.

Mel

5y

Lonzo is better than him

SHAQUILLE

5y

Is he? You might wanna check the numbers from both of their 3rd seasons.

I’d say Lonzo is slightly better because his shooting but they’re both busts as of now

PrinceAlexander

5y

He was the #2 pick dude not just a top 10 pick and yes go back and look at every other pick in his range who underperformed and people call them a bust.

Ur typing too much to be saying so little.

I watch plenty of basketball lol if he doesn’t end up with a couple all star years and somewhat live up to his draft status and hype that compared him to Jason Kidd he’s still a bust.

You can still be a good player one day but you’ll never not be considered a bust because if the team had the choice to take someone else in a redraft they would.

That’s why they call later picks who play like all stars or hofers steals...

However “unfair” that may seem to you that’s the harsh reality of sports especially from a gm’s perspective.

Mel

5y

No one considers him a bust besides deluded fans with skewed expectations and less grip on reality on the value of a player.

If you want to define a bust as every top 5 pick then who isn't a top 15 or whatever player go ahead. That's you.

Reality is at 22 he is a sought after player many teams would pay a decent amount for and the draft number means nothing to the many teams who'd sign and probably start him. That's not a bust to me or any comparable player like Lonzo.

Tbh, you probably aren't even comprehending what I said and skimmed over because you're still missing the point.

How long you've been watching basketball isn't even relevant lol

Mel

5y

No one considers him a bust besides deluded fans with skewed expectations and less grip on reality on the value of a player.

If you want to define a bust as every top 5 pick then who isn't a top 15 or whatever player go ahead. That's you.

Reality is at 22 he is a sought after player many teams would pay a decent amount for and the draft number means nothing to the many teams who'd sign and probably start him. That's not a bust to me or any comparable player like Lonzo.

Tbh, you probably aren't even comprehending what I said and skimmed over because you're still missing the point.

How long you've been watching basketball isn't even relevant lol

PrinceAlexander

5y

No one had “skewed expectations” for him he had a lot of hype coming out of the draft and was the #2 pick.

You can play dumb tho

AP3

5y

It’s rare that a franchise would have the opportunity for a #2 pick. That pick needs to be a perennial all star at least.

MIXTAPEHNDRXXFREE

5y

Nigga how is he a bust

This year he had a very good season and improved a lot, especially his shooting and was going on a run before the season ended

PrinceAlexander

5y

Thankyou

That may be a “harsh” or “unfair” expectation for most players but not if ur picked #2...that’s what comes with the territory of being a top pick...More pressure to perform and if u don’t more critics.

Mel

5y

They don't base their opinions objectively