Y’all buggin losing Randle and Donte is huge

Yeah, I'm not mad at all that low IQ dubious handles is gone, but losing Divo is not worth KAT imo

I understand that KAT fills a need at C, but we lost depth and KAT doesn't really help with our offensive rebounding that was HUGE for us last year.

First move I don't like from Leon, hopefully I'm wrong

Y'all got worse

@AdamSilver STEP IN AND DO SOMETHING!!!!

Yo this ain't fair on Brunson tbh
I wish he took the full contract
How is the best player on the team getting paid less than KAT & OG?

When KAT is selling in the offs (to a slightly lesser degree than Randle but still), he gon remember that money he left in Dolan's coffers

Feeling bad for Donte too, the Nova connection was supposed to be a locker room chemistry eureka moment

IHart is still the biggest loss of the offseason, I’m really not mad at this trade, especially when Mitch is able to come back and we can slide KAT to the 4. Our defensive anchors are the wings anyway, and it was like that before the trade, this doesn’t change that.

I'm only bummed about Donte forreal Randle and his annoying ass stans can get tf on lol

S***, looking at it now, Brunson probably took less money to help with the salary cap on in order to get KAT. He's the face of the team and Leon Rose is his godfather. They definitely told him about the plans to get KAT.

DiVincenzo was probably the shock to him

Explain.

Donte yes, Randle no.

Anybody talking about the Knicks losing Randle is a huge loss is definitely openly saying they don't know much about the Knicks.

KAT gives the same rebounding ability as Randle. Is a better perimeter shooter, shooting threes at a higher clip with better percentages and TS. You can't even make the argument about who plays better in the playoffs because Randle only had what? One good game in the playoffs in his time here? Defensively they're really about the same because while KAT isn't the best defender, Randle hardly actually tries on defense. So they're about the same there. The only thing you miss from Randle is his passing and playmaking ability, but you'd rather Brunson with the ball in his hands anyway so that's whatever. And I suppose Randle'd availability is also better than KAT. But after seeing that the Knicks were still good without him...eh.

Randle is not a huge loss. At worst, the trade is a wash because KAT and Randle are so similar outside of KAT's shooting. At best, the Knicks just frontloaded on perimeter shooting and offense, and now Brunson will have three elite level perimeter shooters on the floor with him and now he won't have to share the ball with another ball dominant player on the court.

The only significant loss was Donte and that's because of his impact off the bench and with the second unit.

Not sure how true this is, if at all

Can’t believe we’re replacing Donte with that bum Landry shamet

My guess is that Leon believed the combined three point shooting efforts from Deuce and Shamet can replicate what Donte can give you.

Which...I kinda see? Shamet over his career has a higher 3P% than DiVincenzo. However, you can say that's probably because he has higher 3PAs. More attempts means more misses. Now here's this...the reason we had DiVincenzo with much more 3PAs with us last season was out of necessity. He had to fill in as a starter, which naturally meant he would get more opportunity to spam threes. Any other time, DiVincenzo's 3PAs are about the same as Shamet's.

So when we bring DiVincenzo's 3PA down to what they normally have been, he was averaging about 4-5 3PAs. The same amount as Shamet. And when we look at the percentages between the two...Shamet actually has a better percentage surprisingly enough.

Maybe there really is something here

Fair point, mikal is going to be taking those shots now anyway.

My issue is shamet only shot 33% from 3 last year. BUT I suppose it could be a symptom of playing on a God awful wizards team

Agreed there, I'm more willing to chalk that up to the Wizards just being f***in trash.

Honestly, if we didn't make this KAT trade, I don't see DiVincenzo replicating his three point shooting from last season. Even in a world where we did the small ball five with Randle at center.

That lineup would be:
Brunson
Divo
Bridges
OG
Randle

Brunson and Randle are gonna have the ball in their hands, that's a given. But then you'd also have Bridges, who I would also want having more opportunities with the ball because as a scorer, he far outclasses Divo due to him being capable of doing so much more offensively. Last season for Divo was an anomaly that came just out of necessity. This season, we wouldn't need him to be spamming threes. So bring those attempts down...and he's literally back to giving you Landry Shamet like perimeter shooting numbers.

Lost 2 ball handlers and didn't pick up another one

So that means Jalen, Deuce, and Landry is all y'all got

....did you even watch the Knicks last season or you just talkin out your ass?

We also literally just got Mikal Bridges, who was going to be the obvious second option over Randle anyway. The team was better with the ball in Brunson's hands than Randle's. DiVincenzo is also not even that much of a ballhandler. Which is fine, as that isn't even his role. He was gonna go back to his role as a bench shooter. He wasn't happy about that. We have Landry Shamet around to replace his bench shooting.

I did, and DiVincenzo averaged more ball handling/initiating offense than over 2/3 of the league. Better is subjective because y'all hit a good stretch, but this game is about having multiple shot creators and ball handlers

Them having Thibs system where he's running you into the ground is extremely tough on 2 ball handlers and y'all don't have great screeners since Hartenstein left

Bridges and OG are cool at handling the ball, but their decision-making from that spot is questionable

"I did, and DiVincenzo averaged more ball handling/initiating offense than over 2/3 of the league."

Yeah because he had to do that out of necessity as a starter since we traded RJ and IQ, then lost Randle and OG. Not because his primary role is a backup ballhandler As good as his season was, it was an anomaly and was not going to be replicated. Even if we didn't trade for KAT. He would've went back to coming off the bench.

And again, I honestly do really believe you did watch the Knicks last season, if you did you would've saw that Randle as secondary ballhandler was not really for the best. He was turning the ball over a ton. The more time Brunson had the ball and the less time Randle had it, the better it was for the Knicks.

Fickle Knicks fans gonna give KAT the same treatment Randle got, don't worry

Also can we finally dead that tired and smooth brain ass narrative of "Thibs runs guys into the ground"? Literally all the guys who got injured last year were from freak injuries. Prior to the injuries, Randle and Brunson weren't even in the top 15 of league MPG.

Obviously Brunson, Hart, and DiVincenzo's minutes would go up when the roster is depleted from freak injuries. Tf do you think Thibs was gonna do? Start playing G-League guys? Please be f***in serious lol

You said it yourself with the long post, KAT not that much better than Randle if at all and losing Donte is a loss for depth, vibes and chemistry. We didn't get better

KAT is also low IQ. Doesn't get in the post as often as he should, makes dumb ass fouls routinely, always complains to refs, lowkey injury prone and is genuinely just soft. People just see a 7 footer shooting 3's and automatically assume the team got better but he is genuinely not that much better than Randle for us to give away Donte and a pick

I don't know, replacing one PF for a PF/C who shoots career 40% from three, and doesn't keep the ball out of the hands of your best player, allowing for a true five out offense. Is definitely getting better. Even moreso when that PF that was replaced wasn't even going to be available for the start of the season, and when your center is already listened to miss the first half of the season.

As for depth, the trade isn't even fully done. There's likely a player from the Hornets (my hope Nick Richards) coming to the Knicks.

At this point all it is that's gone none is "vibes" and chemistry. Which is s*** that literally improves on a roster as the season goes on.