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    Delejayn

    Why are you showing me this?

    What do you see

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    Until We Reckon - Danielle Sered
    The End of Policing - Alex Vitale
    Color of Violence: The INCITE! Anthology
    Are Prisons Obsolete - Angela Davis.

    Also check out this website. If you don’t have time to read everything, it links to videos and audio material that are helpful.

    https://www.readingtotransgress.com/reading-list/emergency-learning-package-imagining-a-world-without-police-and-policing-systems

    Abolishing the police is ambitious but so was freedom for slave during slavery.

    Think you meant to quote the other guy bro😅 appreciate the suggestions tho these are gems. Would also recommend blood in my eye, and assata especially to gain a firsthand account into police corruption

  • Jun 29, 2020
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    oh

    well in that case you can just look at history and see that this occurred before private prisons plus private prisons only hold something like 8% of prisoners.

    Fair enough, I still think fixing private prisons would make s*** easier.

  • Jun 29, 2020

    im done w this woman

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    I think it's an argument for creating a society where the idea that i'm going to rob this person either for own personal want of their possessions or because i can sell it for money isn't actually a thing that enters into the public consciousness.

    that's a natural eventual occurrence of capitalism though, that's not something you can arbitrarily force in a post-capitalist world. despite the attempt of the (true) upper class (i.e. billionaires and bankers) to retain it infinitely, eventually capitalism reaches the point of material worthlessness beyond individual meaning because of the inevitable plateau of value next to the eventual sufficiency of productive innovation and corporate stratification. so while i agree to that degree, it's not something you can really force, it's something which happens eventually, that's the end-point of capitalism

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    Himothee

    Think you meant to quote the other guy bro😅 appreciate the suggestions tho these are gems. Would also recommend blood in my eye, and assata especially to gain a firsthand account into police corruption

    Oh my bad

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    NEW EQUITY

    What do you see

    A dress.

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    Delejayn

    A dress.

    What color

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    Delejayn

    Oh my bad

    All good haha, what’s the website though?

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    Can someone just tldr this entire situation for me in like 3 sentences or less

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    I think it's an argument for creating a society where the idea that i'm going to rob this person either for own personal want of their possessions or because i can sell it for money isn't actually a thing that enters into the public consciousness.

    got a question. Would music, past and present, that details crime be eliminated in your society? Would movies, past and present, that details crime be eliminated?

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    krishna bound

    that's a natural eventual occurrence of capitalism though, that's not something you can arbitrarily force in a post-capitalist world. despite the attempt of the (true) upper class (i.e. billionaires and bankers) to retain it infinitely, eventually capitalism reaches the point of material worthlessness beyond individual meaning because of the inevitable plateau of value next to the eventual sufficiency of productive innovation and corporate stratification. so while i agree to that degree, it's not something you can really force, it's something which happens eventually, that's the end-point of capitalism

    not sure if you're saying end-point of capitalism as in thats when it will end, or if thats simply what capitalism will eventually be

  • Jun 29, 2020
    Himothee

    Not the same thing at all. Cole was trying to tell her how to message herself better but came off as a douche, Noname is criticizing Beyoncé for repackaging african culture in a homogenous way and supporting capitalism. S***, Beyoncé was just on BET right now trying to tell activists on the street to go out and vote. Love Beyoncé but she’s a f***ing hack like her husband and isn’t willing to go far enough to deal with the issues we’re facing

    she literally told cole he was wrong for responding 2 her cuz there are niggas dying outside.....

    and then a week later attacks beyonce and jay-z 3 separate times for mostly unrelated issues

    is posting pictures of Beyonce in "blackface" relevant to the police brutality people are protesting to right now? she only did it because people roasted her about the Angela Davis s*** and she doubling down lmfao

    it doesnt matter if her sentiments about beyonce are right or wrong shes a hypocrite

  • Jun 29, 2020
    NEW EQUITY

    What color

    Blue and black

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    dreamseller007

    got a question. Would music, past and present, that details crime be eliminated in your society? Would movies, past and present, that details crime be eliminated?

    my ideas on how music would look under this society are not fully developed but i've come to the conclusion atm that certain music would probably not be a thing.

    not because it couldn't be a thing, but just that it would have no reason to be a thing. if inner-workings of our society are largely reflected in our arts and entertainment, then people might not feel the need to make such music.

  • this is the biggest personification of going out sad that i’ve ever seen

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    my ideas on how music would look under this society are not fully developed but i've come to the conclusion atm that certain music would probably not be a thing.

    not because it couldn't be a thing, but just that it would have no reason to be a thing. if inner-workings of our society are largely reflected in our arts and entertainment, then people might not feel the need to make such music.

    i agree that people would not feel the need to make music that details crime because crime would be gone. But what about the music in the past that details crime? Naturally it's possible that past music could enter the public consciousness and create crime, no? - unless it were banned

    And then when that banning occurs doesn't an erasure of history, like China has done, start to occur. And isn't that erasure immoral on multiple accounts?

    Those are my assumptions, but you could also assume that in your society people could listen to past music that details crime and never let it enter their consciousness and affect their behavior. I could buy that argument on a small scale, but not in a country with 400 million people.

  • Jun 29, 2020
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    not sure if you're saying end-point of capitalism as in thats when it will end, or if thats simply what capitalism will eventually be

    at that point the definition of the "word" capitalism becomes moot because the system no longer resembles that of its historical predecessor. like you can consider it "capitalist" colloquially in that it starts from the predecessor of such, but in practice it's a distinct system. I mean, im basically (loosely) just talking about some theory stuff, the type of economic accelerationism described in Marx's Grundrisse for example, which seems undeniable even from a non-marxist point of view

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    Synopsis needs to provide chapter and verse for the ideas he provides cuz he seems full of s*** to me. The heart is in the right place, but still full of s***.

    I remember this one time I asked for books with information on communism and he told me he talked to his professors about it (no actual study of that rhetoric)

    then in a another thread I see him reply to another poster who asked where to start with communism a'd this man said : the communist manifesto (most famous books from Karl Marx next to maybe "Das kapital)

    Now, in this thread telling people to read books for abolition but didn't name any

    This man's knowledge is very , just like noname's, superficial imo, no critical thinking went into accepting these ideals thus the pointless back and forth in the thread.
    They're right, you're wrong, and they're condescending when they realize you don't agree with them because their smart brains adhered to something so you must be lesser than in order to even question it.
    Sir quote what you read or where you got your ideas from or shut the f*** up.

    THAT'S WHY THE ALL CAPS TYPING, WE DON'T F*** WITH SMUG INtELlÊCTùALs OVER HERE

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    Woah wait wtf is Beyonce doing in those pics tho

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    dreamseller007

    i agree that people would not feel the need to make music that details crime because crime would be gone. But what about the music in the past that details crime? Naturally it's possible that past music could enter the public consciousness and create crime, no? - unless it were banned

    And then when that banning occurs doesn't an erasure of history, like China has done, start to occur. And isn't that erasure immoral on multiple accounts?

    Those are my assumptions, but you could also assume that in your society people could listen to past music that details crime and never let it enter their consciousness and affect their behavior. I could buy that argument on a small scale, but not in a country with 400 million people.

    well its not like we'd be starting with ignorant citizens. but i also don't think people are really influenced by music in such a way as that.

    idk a good song to use as an example rn, but i don't think someone in this society im talking about would listen to a gangster rap song and be influenced to commit crimes because of it. i generally don't believe in banning any sort of thing like that

  • Jun 29, 2020
    Scratchin Mamba

    Woah wait wtf is Beyonce doing in those pics tho

    In honor of the mag’s 90th anniversary, and in tribute to Nigerian musician Fela Kuti, the singer, 29, appears in “blackface” makeup and tribal makeup and costume designed by her mom Tina Knowles.

    In a statement (via website Jezebel), the magazine said that the superstar’ s surprising look was “far from the glamorous Sasha Fierce” and explained that it was “a return to her African roots, as you can see on the picture, on which her face was voluntarily darkened.”

    But the “Halo” singer didn’t exactly get universal praise for the shoot.

    Sniped Charing Ball of the Atlanta Post: “Blackface is not fashion forward or edgy and, in my opinion, it is just flat-out offensive.”

    Echoed Jezebel‘s Dodai Stewart, “It’s fun to play with fashion and makeup, and fashion has a history of provocation and pushing boundaries. But when you paint your face darker in order to look more ‘African,’ aren’t you reducing an entire continent, full of different nations, tribes, cultures and histories, into one brown color?

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    well its not like we'd be starting with ignorant citizens. but i also don't think people are really influenced by music in such a way as that.

    idk a good song to use as an example rn, but i don't think someone in this society im talking about would listen to a gangster rap song and be influenced to commit crimes because of it. i generally don't believe in banning any sort of thing like that

    appreciate your answers. don't agree with them but I'm not here to attack other people on the internet

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