you didn't ask me for info of books on capitalism, you asked me about books about why there's never actually been a communist society, just socialist states working towards that goal. i told you scratchin would even be someone better to ask.

also its not my fault if u can't take a joke

and yeah im not going to sit and list out a bunch of books on abolition when literally due to whats going on rn you could find 100 lists with a quick google search. its not my role to play educator.

np.

and also would like to point out that it would kinda suck that this type of change would certainly impact rap disproportionality, but it just seems like itd have to be a necessary trade off.

Facts. We not spoonfeeding s*** when niggas can just go on google

radicalhistoryreview.org/abusablepast/reading-towards-abolition-a-reading-list-on-policing-rebellion-and-the-criminalization-of-blackness

literally like first or second link on google

photoshopped my brother

its not. lol.

yeah it'd kill a large percentage of hip-hop, even the ones who reflect on the crimes they rap about. For example, I think Stunna 4 Vegas and Pusha T (despite their abilities) talk about violence in a very different manner. It's interesting how prevalent violence in rap is at the moment despite how violent crimes per 100k people has fallen over the last 30 years.

Lol yes you can. There's a reason some regions have little to no crime while others are full of it. And the difference is the conditions in which the people live in.

ohh s***

Okay so they're pics from a rolling stone 2011 shoot and I'm supposed to get furious and outraged about it in June of 2020... Got it

Edit: not a Beyonce fan in the slightest, not defending her.

i don't listen to a lot of rap atm (used to, mostly stopped because misogyny but also cuz i don't like the soundcloud era) so i can't really speak to how violent it is rn, but yeah i think rap more than any other genre has the artists commenting on their own specific lived experiences or at least telling stories that could easily be their own experiences or relating to their experiences that it would radically change in other circumstances.

i mean there's also the point you made about rap being violent but crime actually declining. i think a part of it is the fact that a lot of rappers still do come from places that are high crime areas, and the fact that rap has always sort of embodied the traits of toxic masculinity.

My guy there's a huge difference between private security and private police lol

I don’t think they were taken in good taste but Im not shaking with rage at a black person wearing blackface either lol

Was just saying its real

Right. And if state gov police were abolished then private security companies, who employ ex cops, would expand and become private police forces for suburbia and beyond

In the other thread you presented what you believed (in regards to countries never reaching the goal of communism) as a fact or at least that's how you argued your point.
Yet didn't know how to back it up. So you perpetuate ideas you don't master enough to explain decently but insist on having these debates. It shows when your principle is being attacked.
The funny things is I don't even disagree with most of what you're saying, but just like noname there's no critical a***ysis of what you guys talk about. You don't seem to be able to present information without the stating them as if you were inherently correct and those who disagree are "not aware"/"woke" enough. => there's the pretentiousness

Also nobody asks you to play educator, you have made it very clear that it isn't your forte.
However, understanding an idea to the point of explaining it to others properly is very helpful when learning yourself. Admitting that you're not capable of that tells me you haven't attacked/critiqued your idea well enough and thus accepted it as it was presented to you. I believe this is a problem if we're mentioning notions such as communism, capitalism, abolition etc (which are complex)

It's not my role to play educator =/= being s*** at debates

There's no reason to believe that's going to happen lol.

You're talking like it's a guarantee and that's just dishonest tbh

I love reggae over everything but still love hip hop as well. Not so much rap, which I think there's difference.

I partially agree with you, but don't think all the violence can be attributed to rappers being from certain areas because there has always been rappers from the violent areas and the entirety of their albums/songs weren't about said violence. Some rappers are lying about the violence they experienced, others are repeating themselves over and over again because that violence sells more than the other stuff.

Vince Staples put it best that when he said "let's keep it 200. Majority of niggas ain't like that cuz (meaning uber violent/misgonistic/highly materialistic). If we didn't tell these niggas they had to make money, be hyper successful they wouldn't make the music that gets the most attention (with violence). They would figure out what they wanna do what they wanna make."

19:30-22:00

youtube.com/watch?v=kMS9J26kctI&t=1655s

Prodigy also had a blog post (in the mid 00s) where he dissed a bunch of rappers and said the only thing publications (XXL, vibe, BET, radio, etc.) respect is violence. Where i belive Prodigy was wrong though is that XXL, vibe, BET, and radio had more influence than he would've liked to believed. Thus, normalizing a high amount of violence with little wordplay, poetry, and reflection in rap lyrics.

YO SOULJA BOY IS ORIGINAL, INNOVATIVE AND UNIQUE AND I HEAR ALOT PEOPLE SAYING "that s*** is wack" MAN I RATHER LISTEN TO HIM THEN ALL OF THIS OTHER HOT GARBAGE, NOW IF SOULJA BOY CAN STAND THE TEST OF TIME? WE WILL SOON FIND OUT BUT AT LEAST HE WAS GOOD FOR A MOMENT. ALL THIS OTHER S*** IM TALKING BOUT AINT EVEN GOOD FOR A MILLI SECOND. LISTEN REAL RAP MUSIC AND THE PEOPLE WHO CREATE IT IS A VERY SMALL CIRCLE OF PEOPLE. RAP IS BLACK HOOD MUSIC FOR THE HOOD, BY THE HOOD. WE LET EMINEM IN CAUSE HE GETS BUSY AND DRE CO-SINGED HIM BUT EVER SINCE EM IT SEEMS THAT WHITE PEOPLE/BLACK OREOS FEEL THEY CAN DICTATE WHERE THIS THING IS GOING. NA, YOU CANT. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO GONNA CALL SHOTS HERE ARE THE ONES ON THE FRONT LINES, THE ONES WHO CONTROL THE FRONT LINES. WE CONTROL THIS MUSIC AND IT'S DIRECTION. NOT HOW MANY MIC's IN THE SOURCE, NOT HOW MY X's OR L's in THE XXL, NOT VIBE, NOT RADIO, MTV OR B.E.T. OR 99% OF THESE WEB SITES. THEY ALL ACT AS IF AND WISH THEY COULD DICTATE WHAT WE DO AND WHERE IT's GOING BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WRITE AND PROGRAM ALL THAT BULLSHIT DONT KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WHERE I STOMP MY FEET. THEY DONT HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA OF WHATS HAPPENING. NOT EVEN A LIGHTBULB THOUGHT. THE ONLY THING THOSE PEOPLE FEAR OR RESPECT IS VIOLENCE.

240 million calls are made to 911 every year. TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY MILLION calls in 365 days. Do the math on that one. But I'm irrational for believing that privatized police forces would pop up after the police is abolished and thousands of ex-cops are looking for work.

edit: another link says 185 million each year. Point still stands

no, you asked me for books on it. i told you scratchin would be better in that regard, on that very specific subject and that my understanding of it came from conversations with one of my professors, and its not as if I can recite to you from memory entire conversations, nor would I actually want to, even if I could.

Also, and I have made this very clear on this forum multiple times, prolly hundreds at this point, but I have no intention of explaining things or having that type of conversation with people who only engage in them in bad faith. and yes, it is easy to tell when people are operating in that manner. you could type up a well sourced academic essay on here to someone, and they'll reply with their preconceived points. there is no willingness to learn. if someone actually wants to engage in a conversation in a manner where they are asking questions sincerely, and not simply trying to bait into some sort of gotcha moment, then we can have an actual conversation.

also, i don't engage in debates around here. unless ur very confused on what a debate is

and finally, my job is also not to lay out ideas and then respond to how they would work in every single specific scenario. that's simply not how things work. And anyways, we're operating from two very distinct frameworks anyway. I believe that crime can pretty much be eradicated from society because I believe that crime is overwhelmingly a result of material conditions, while simultaneously not simply accepting the notion that posters always love to bring up when the topics of socialism or abolition are broached, that human beings are naturally greedy and selfish and will do bad things to each other if given the chance. If someone isn't willing to challenge that notion or suspend it for a brief moment then the conversation isn't going to get very far because they're going to reject what I'm saying anyways and then make bad faith attacks on it. so if you want to come with some bullshit about me not challenging my own views, maybe you need to ask yourself why these other posters can't challenge their own views on human nature and capitalism and how things work?

Admittedly jumping into a convo without reading much

But nigas who are borderline like come from a decent home but aren’t rich cosby kids Def can get influenced by that type of music I’ve seen niggas die and crash out before 21 thinking selling weed and robbing and s*** is just whatever bc of rap music as opposed to just holding down UPS or some s*** lol

I want to write in all caps again but im just gonna go on with my business

yah ive seen it happen too, but in a completely different scenario/upbringing (it was a white girl who was upper-middle class and lived so far removed from that lifestyle)

but just talking as a whole, dont think itd really be an issue to where, if we had a society where crime wasn't a thing, we couldn't let people listen to NWA or something.

She wiped her Twitter again

‘there’d be no need for stealing’

man im envious of how much faith you guys have in human nature given how f***ed up the world is currently

Clout demon

watching people who’ve clearly never experienced what its like to live in a household with domestic abuse try and discuss it is hilarious