JACKIE ARTIST

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Are there any documentaries about him.

Watched lots about Basquiat.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Warhol:_A_Documentary_Film

here!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Warhol:_A_Documentary_Film

here!

Nort

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beautiful, im sure that was fun.

i got a whole enterprise-style network built in this lab and i just turned this old dell laptop into a makeshift router. ive been spending this whole week configuring vlans/ports/opnsense and moving everything onto it. it’s been kicking my ass but im learning a lot about networking.

Bruuiisees

2h

Art has three main societal uses (unless you're creating the art)

• wealth signaling : I have this and you do not because I can afford it. This will change the way you think about me. If you also know about it or have some it will change the way I think about you
• virtue signaling : this art has a message that I agree with. By sharing that I enjoy this art I would like you to know that I share it's sentiment
• knowledge signaling : I know about this art and others do not. If you know about this art as well I will think more positively of you based on us knowing similar things that others do not

This discredits it for me in a way

JACKIE ARTIST

2h

Oh s***, four hours!!!

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i think this a reductive way to look at it that ignores many, many other positive reasons why people enjoy art.

even though it IS largely true in the modern vapid fine art scene.

but that scene isnt an accurate reflection of art in any capacity, sothebys and these huge galleries and auctions are just commercialization turning a lot of real art and historicla artifacts into fast fashion.

but thats such a tiny, insignificant section of the art world (outside of its financial influence) thats losing credibility fast

doot doot

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Such a fun way to learn though when you can blow it up with no repercussions I did that last year, spent almost a whole weekend designing the network but it was a ton of fun.

I want to get into homelabbing and self hosting just haven’t gotten around to it yet

Bruuiisees

2h

I think it applies to the discussion of the consumption of all art in general

A reality could exist where art is viewed in a more pure way but it is not our reality

If you choose to be invested in the consumption of art you are signing up to also be associated with the baggage that comes with it

Bruuiisees

4h

Lil keed was so much better than all these guys though

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its a very real aspect of art consumption for sure, thats much more largely concentrated in the high up art scenes. but it def also applies to art consumption in general.

but you can look at art through any perspective and get something out of it. whether youre isolating its clout, its virtue signaling or that you simply like a colour and disregard everything else, or a its the compostion, or anatomy.

even if you i only look at it through a limited number of perspectives (which every human being does, its impossible to account for all of them) all of the other perspective still exist. just in different ratios for different art scenes.

a lot of people are jaded or concerned by this and its reflected in a lot of very famous and valuable fine art ironically

Bruuiisees

1h

I have never encountered a community based around discussing or sharing art where one of the three things doesn't apply

Art can maybe be appreciated in a more positive way privately but as soon as it becomes something that you share you are opening it up to one of those three things

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they absolutely apply even if the person who owns the art or talks about it, doesnt look at it that way.

like personally, i place no value on exclusivity. i think something being exclusive is usually a bane to its existence. the less people who can to enjoy something, the worse the general outcome of a project is. unless its something tailor made like a birthday gift or something for an individual.
but if i own a one of a kind picasso, its still exclusive and other people will envy I have it.

wealth signaling, i also genuinely do not care. whether a painting is a 100 million dollars or a homeless person made it and gave it to me for 3 dollars, if I like it I like it and if its good its good. but again if i have a 100 million dollar painting, its still signals wealth value whether I take pride in that or not.

having pride over exclusive knowledge i do fall into this category. But in the sense that i studied so many techniques on how compositions are built. which is valuable esoteric knowledge that can help me sniff out artwork built with care vs with something lazy trying to be passed off as high brow.

But thats more in the sense of a carpenter appreciating how a house is built in a different way than someone who doesnt know those things. and it doesnt give me any special insight into the emotional impact aspect of the piece of art, which i think is where the egotistical art people who look down on others who don’t get it, live. just because a carpenter can appreciate a house in a different way than someone whose never built one, he will never understand exactly what that house MEANS to the people who lived in it and raised a familly in it over 20 years.

You ARE opening yourself up to these three things, it’s inescapable. but those arent the only 3 things, those are 3 negative things in a sea of many, many things. lots of which are positive. there are also a lot more negative things too.

Bruuiisees

1h

I think we are arguing two different things

My post was about how societies common reaction to art and how the art is then used by people do participate in it

You are just arguing that someone could have a pure appreciation of art privately which I agree with mostly

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i think this a reductive way to look at it that ignores many, many other positive reasons why people enjoy art.

even though it IS largely true in the modern vapid fine art scene.

but that scene isnt an accurate reflection of art in any capacity, sothebys and these huge galleries and auctions are just commercialization turning a lot of real art and historicla artifacts into fast fashion.

but thats such a tiny, insignificant section of the art world (outside of its financial influence) thats losing credibility fast

frenchpress

1h

Yep I use art to reveal unto me the truths of our world

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maybe

what im trying to say is that societies common reaction to art cant be only distilled down to those 3 things, even if theyre large pillars, escpially theres many more negative and positive things that come with it.

Bruuiisees

1h

There's no other tangible uses for sharing the fact that you enjoy certain things in general

It doesn't only apply to art

When you choose to share something you are then using it to express the idea that gives you the reason to share the thing. Almost no one is just going "I'm sharing this thing because it's a nice thought and I like saying things are nice because that's nice and I want to"

A community is based around the sharing of knowledge, gaining wealth, or to push a cause. You can all have a private appreciation for the thing that the community is based around and that can be genuine. When other people are then included into that genuine appreciation you are opening it up to the reasons that people feel the need to share things with other people

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i agree that when you share things with a community you open yourself up to those 3 things and that they are common motives for sharing things. and that theyre largely detrimental.

but theyre not the only motives and theres many more, both good and bad. I dont think its accurate to reduce exchanging things others in a community, art or otherwise, to only those 3 things.

Bruuiisees

1h

There's no other tangible uses for sharing the fact that you enjoy certain things in general

It doesn't only apply to art

When you choose to share something you are then using it to express the idea that gives you the reason to share the thing. Almost no one is just going "I'm sharing this thing because it's a nice thought and I like saying things are nice because that's nice and I want to"

A community is based around the sharing of knowledge, gaining wealth, or to push a cause. You can all have a private appreciation for the thing that the community is based around and that can be genuine. When other people are then included into that genuine appreciation you are opening it up to the reasons that people feel the need to share things with other people