krishna bound

2y

I’m just asking what basis the belief system you’re discussing has in practicality. Like it’s cool you think Lichtenstein is doing things right but that doesn’t mean anything material. I’m trying to understand what ideology you actually have rather than what individual concepts you just think are cool/aren’t cool within the status quo

Knx

2y

Why so you can enslave me?

Aristotle

2y

I think natural elites have a stronger case to run society than the masses. Monarchies are better for the reasons Hoppe listed (assuming you read Hoppe) + power is more constrained under a monarchy than under regimes closer to direct democracy. This comes from De Jouvenel.

Do I think any of this is practical right now? Probably not, but that has more to do with individual issues and the mindset of the masses because of changes in culture and less to do with the practicality of the system if all else was equal

krishna bound

2y

Why would an anti-egalitarian ideology have to depend on the masses?

Aristotle

2y

you can't have a society without masses so every ideology will have some reference to the masses

krishna bound

2y

Of course, but surely you would belief the masses are ultimately behaviorally at the behest of the ruling class and wider system? They ultimately only play a role in upholding the system, they aren’t the basis of the system fundamentally

Aristotle

2y

Right and the ruling class still operates the same under any system so even in an anti-egalitarian world, the masses would have to be influenced by the elites/ruling class in order to accept or continue to accept the system or a nation or a government. This doesn't change in a right-wing country.

Before we get to left vs. right, it must be understood the ruling class issue holds in every society.

Aristotle

2y

I think natural elites have a stronger case to run society than the masses. Monarchies are better for the reasons Hoppe listed (assuming you read Hoppe) + power is more constrained under a monarchy than under regimes closer to direct democracy. This comes from De Jouvenel.

Do I think any of this is practical right now? Probably not, but that has more to do with individual issues and the mindset of the masses because of changes in culture and less to do with the practicality of the system if all else was equal

Aristotle

2y

When I say right-wing, I just mean anti-egalitarian. There is no system that exists for the left nor the right. If you mean progressive vs. conservative, then yeah, I somewhat agree, but only because conservative means like 1000 different things.

I don't think conservatism emerged as a reaction to systems. If we go back to the earliest civilizations, pretty much all of them were more conservative than liberal.

Big Tobacco

2y

I am a liberal jingoist

krishna bound

2y

But can you acknowledge that the economic mechanism of capitalism inherently disrupts the natural anti-egalitarian balance from taking place?

necromancer

2y

Are you into nrx?

Aristotle

2y

No but I respect yarvins early works. He's a smart dude even though he went crazy

Aristotle

2y

No, I don't think it does. But at the same time you also think ktt autists and aoc simps operate under capitalism the same way the u.s. did pre 1929 or a country like Liechtenstein does today so we wouldn't find agreement at all.

Big Tobacco

2y

Thoughts on Nick Land?

krishna bound

2y

I am a MAGA Juche-ist.

Big Tobacco

2y

Ideal Hegelian society imo

Aristotle

2y

I haven't read his works but he follows me on twitter

Big Tobacco

2y

What brought you together? Jungle music, meth, or George Zimmerman idolization?

krishna bound

2y

How in the world can you say it doesn’t? It inherently does, this isn’t even controversial. If this wasn’t the case, lolbertarians and neoliberals wouldn’t be claiming capitalism is egalitarian. I may agree with you “anarcho capitalism” is not egalitarian intrinsically but the system it abides by leads to systems which are, and those who support said systems will be the first to admit it