rx friendly ghost

5y

first of all the i feel like dying vids hit so hard when u look at the comments / 11k likes for 'when u come back older and finally understand everything'

streaming is stripping this away from us, even the youtube music 'topic' tracks disable commenting
now when sometimes they are the only existence of a track in streaming form

huey p rxcan

5y

yea i mean all that is true but like u said

when wayne was making s*** like this a decade ago i can’t take anyone’s opinion seriously who says “kids see ghosts is the definitive album on mental health”

esp when it’s suburbanites who can only understand black trauma through humming more so than nuanced storytelling. all the melody and harmony is in that wayne stuff. it’s just the yt cudi fan base can’t take rap seriously as a medium.

i wanna talk about rick rubin and nwa and how rap is the “modern” western for the average media consumer

fiveprestos

5y

talking about rick Rubin as in tandem with nwa? or antithetical to nwa?

huey p rxcan

5y

yea i mean all that is true but like u said

when wayne was making s*** like this a decade ago i can’t take anyone’s opinion seriously who says “kids see ghosts is the definitive album on mental health”

esp when it’s suburbanites who can only understand black trauma through humming more so than nuanced storytelling. all the melody and harmony is in that wayne stuff. it’s just the yt cudi fan base can’t take rap seriously as a medium.

i wanna talk about rick rubin and nwa and how rap is the “modern” western for the average media consumer

huey p rxcan

5y

nah in tandem

feel like “hip hop is the new rock” wouldn’t be a thought without them

rx friendly ghost

5y

ok from my view: people here love mbdtf because kanye takes a back seat and you have bon iver and you have extended instrumental sections and in their view - they don't have kanye rapping. as a white person here, a lot of white people here love the cute bon iver interludes and guests but as soon as kanye starts rapping about anything they are tapping out and waiting for ... in paris to come on

then you have a weird segment of the population who grew up with cudi and kanye at the same time but cudi really hit because he had that mgmt collaboration, i truly think 'spirituals' fill the void for white people who skipped the jazz raps of the 90s - it keeps them, in their mind, 'in touch' because thsy can always use linguistic gymnastics to relate back to their (their parent's $1 an hour jazz band) heyday

fiveprestos

5y

Got it, though theres a lot of criticism of Rick Rubin to be made that I think is still shielded by the spiritual changes he made after he left hop in 89-90. Hip Hop as the new rock happened in many ways due to white people/acts positing themselves as entry level ambassadors of hip hop to a more palpable mainstream audience (Aerosmith, Rick, Beastie Boys, etc). Outside of LL Cool J, its really Rubin/Simmons who get all the credit for that era when the artists they were producing for and promoting never got any sort of consolatory equity. Rubin and Simmons are as predatory in that regard as the VC's and industry execs who were taking advantage of the 19 year old Tribe's/De La's of the world, and a lot of his self-imaging since then has absolved him from acknowledging that. I think its easy to say "well its a tricky situation" to things like this but its always concerned me how all the dj Vlad interviews and words whispered under people's breath are so quickly swept under the rug.

fiveprestos

5y

elaborate on that last part wym by "spiritual"

rx friendly ghost

5y

kids see ghosts n kids love kanye but i feel like cudi fell inbetween the cracks thru that time, but the power of 'kid cudi humming' on social media, 100k retweets about cudi n the new gen followed by this album bought him to the forefront again

irregardless of opinion on the music cudi prob saved many teens from necking themselves and that gen were coming into adulthood at the point of KSG where that serious mental health discussion became a bit more open, the nostalgia and 'he saved my life' angles are serious s*** - and that's probably imo how it became a definitive album about mental health.

wayne was rapping 'melodically' about addiction, depression etc. at that early time too but he didn't quite convert it to the overall 'album' and for kids searching for that 90s credibility but with s*** that relates to them as white guys from the burbs cudi put the package together

rx friendly ghost

5y

my gist is white people love 'negro spirituals' - i don't have a solid theory but i do think in places like LA these people are paying millions for places with a history that they have no wish to acknowledge but wish to purchase - depressing all around

eversince

5y

can confirm KSG dropped after my first year of college and I was at a very low point of like. I don’t joke when I say, kids see ghosts, literally saved my life. It was what I needed. I had the CD always in my car and prob listened to it every single day, multiple times, religiously. Yeah, it’s about mental health and fighting your demons, but damn, it’s so uplifting, hopeful, and spiritual. Nothing really hits me like that album does.

huey p rxcan

5y

i wish i felt this way about the album fr

i’m glad ur here with us s*** posting on ktt

huey p rxcan

5y

no no no ghost u do have a solid theory

i got an a from this one class by bullshitting knowledge on jazz bc bro just assumed i knew my s*** (i mean ik my s*** but i don’t knowww my s***)

of course he was an older yt guy with a book or two and an asian wife

rx friendly ghost

5y

my gist is white people love 'negro spirituals' - i don't have a solid theory but i do think in places like LA these people are paying millions for places with a history that they have no wish to acknowledge but wish to purchase - depressing all around

rx friendly ghost

5y

million dollar listing type guy selling his two story in bushwick for 20 mil lmao

eversince

5y

thank you means a lot, still struggling but we out here n life is better than before

huey p rxcan

5y

i agrée with everything you’re saying

my tone sounded like praise but it’s actually the biggest issue with rap rn and ultimately what took its soul away (god i sound like my dad)

but it’s true! those guys were super predatory. i can literally tell what kind of guy rick rubin is off the strength of him going to nyu. cool to shoot the s*** with but he be plotting. simmons just a straight up demon

it’s conflicting seeing ppl like kendrick and tyler do interviews with rick because i feel like a person like tyler needed a rick in his ear during cherry bomb to strip the s*** down. i’m sorry but i wouldn’t love yeezus as much if it wasn’t for rick.

but at the same time i’m like f*** the idolization of ppl who straight up sold hip hop to the highest bidder.

idk i’m on hour 2 of a 10 hour road trip i need to collect my thoughts because i’m just talking in circles but there’s something to be said about labels using hip hop as a really complex version of WWE for teenagers and for people to dump all their anger into (yes we talkin about cia psyops itt someone get @sentient_sherm_bag on the phone!)

fiveprestos

5y

Yeah I hear you. I don't have a problem appreciating the things Rick has done production wise fwiw. Based on what you're saying about media consumption and the rise of hip hop I think you'd really love you some Tricia Rose.

Enjoy the trip

rx friendly ghost

5y

my gist is white people love 'negro spirituals' - i don't have a solid theory but i do think in places like LA these people are paying millions for places with a history that they have no wish to acknowledge but wish to purchase - depressing all around

fiveprestos

5y

Yep, NY and MIA as well. The idea of being a "recluse" and one enamored with nature for spiritual reasons has its own very blatant ties to imperialism and colonialism which we'll save for another day

fiveprestos

5y

Yep, NY and MIA as well. The idea of being a "recluse" and one enamored with nature for spiritual reasons has its own very blatant ties to imperialism and colonialism which we'll save for another day

huey p rxcan

5y

there’s a lot to this that’s really true and is kinda complimentary to what i was saying with rap being the new rock

i’m reading mark fisher tj and he talks about “the establishment of alternative and independent cultural zones which repeat older gestures of rebellion as if for the first time”

he talks about nirvana and how bands like them gave a voice to the first generation who were completely aware they were being sold ideas since before they were born.

instead of kurt cobain whining to a self pitying daria generation, kanye is screaming at a guilt ridden go getter la influencer generation to get off their depressed ass and keep hustling baby!!!

sadly rap is going the same way as rap where ultimately it’s just gonna be a bunch of people killing themselves. and it’s already happened.

fiveprestos

5y

Yep, NY and MIA as well. The idea of being a "recluse" and one enamored with nature for spiritual reasons has its own very blatant ties to imperialism and colonialism which we'll save for another day