Thanks for your reply. I feel like this forum goes in circles on things that are trivial, making their tastes seems like absolutes, or wanting artists to fulfill their will as a listener, which I guess is fine as a “consumer” but complicated the artistic expression/up for sale for listener relationship. But I appreciate you saying this because at least it’s specific, and I think future is an example that a lot of people point to as someone who makes morally questionable music, even outside of the violent lyrics often associate with what people think of mostly as rap.

I’m starting to ramble so I’m gonna back off but yea I kinda found myself uncomfortable listening to some his music because of I guess the public antics we se with him and women (future) and I know I’m a sponge. I wonder if people also want drake to be/express all these things he’s not or doesn’t express, because they think about the product solely (the music) instead of the consequences of saying things for a worldwide audience to hear, but also feeling like they want to grow alongside the artist or vís versa. I think outgrowing things is normal but it’s something I’ve been thinking of for a while in terms of popular artists not touching polemic topics, but Idk if they would be that popular if that was the case. Even Kanye pre trump support as far as popular rappers with crossover support didn’t really touch those things? This is an aside that’s gone on too long so I’m gonna stop here.

i'm not doubting drake's R&B. It's some of his best music. Feel No Ways,Hold On We're Going Home, Passionfruit. That's my favourite Drake.

But I feel like at the very least Andre equalled him. Andre made club hits on the Love Below, but also songs that artistically pushed both genre forward and songs like She's Alive that went lyrically deeper than most Drake R&B. I love that Andre could go to all those places with his R&B album. Drake seems to be able to do a fair bit musically with R&B but it often seems to be reaching for the same emotion or themes.

I just left a really long comment, and felt weird because on one hand I would have a thoughtful response (I would hope) for anyone I was talking to that had something insightful.?On the other hand it’s dumb long and a lot of the people in here are…arguing about their taste or opinions on artists respective skill levels. And I wonder if I’m being silly typing.

Volume has to matter, and that's the gist of what I'm getting at.

He's done the R&B thing for over 10 years straight. Full fledged R&B.

Andre may have equaled (or even is superior) when it comes to quality of melody driven / R&B records, but Drake has soooo much more

We have accounts on here where we spend every day typing and going back and forth about opinions. Everything about this is silly lol

Volume can matter.

But did Andre do more with less?

More scope in sound and meaning, and more innovation. Even in popularity, Hey Ya might be bigger than any Drake R&B song. One dance could be the only one that comes close, if that counts

@theDonandOnly @JGOGang i think u two just value and penalize different things in your assessment of talent/ability/and quality. I think as u two are comparing quantitative and qualitative aspects of their respective discographies you guys have a lot of overlapping opinions. I don’t think as artists they came at different times, have different aims and interests, and that’s going to bare out in their careers. Even in the word better, there are going to be personal differences in how you to determine what defines that. But I find your convo interesting

I appreciate the conversation and you shouldn't be discouraged from posting s*** like this cuz this is a forum and we should be meaningful discussion instead of s***posting stan wars,

I actually like some of Future's music but like you said the public antics are weird as f*** when you consider that dude is 37 and leaning into the misogyny memes that people post about him.

I do think people put pressures on Drake to try to be something he's not, but at the same time he's shown us that he can do MORE which is frustrating cuz I've been listening to this nigga since Room For Improvement. It's just crazy to think that at age 34 he's still taking the route of "safe but serviceable" route with his music when he is clearly talented and has such a loyal stanbase that would probably f*** with it just cuz it's him.

Idk bout popularity but the fact that Dre dropped The Love Below in 2004 and we having this discussion gotta mean something

3/10 is harsh. 5/10 would’ve been better

To keep it a bean with you I have different circles with different tastes and mindsets. But the ones that do listen to this type of s*** they don't think about it the way I do cuz it's music to smoke and get drunk to in their eyes and that's fine lol I don't get drunk or high so when I listen to the s*** I be like damn wtf am I listening to lol

Again, I don't disagree with this assessment.

What 3 stacks did with love below was undoubtedly trail blazing and far more innovative than what Drake has done with melody.

But because of volume, his R&B presence is pretty shallow. Like, most of the current / new R&B acts will say that Drake's R&B and writing has inspired them. He's a pioneer for the genre of R&B, for better or worse because of quality and quantity, the latter of which Andre simply can't box with. That's why I said Drake has taken it further than Andre.

Im seeing too many paragraphs bro seek employment

Maybe Andre has inspired in a second hand way, through other artists though. Imo, that's just as important as direct inspiration.

If Andre opened the door for Drake to be Drake or Ye to do 808s, then he's just as influential to the artists inspired by 808s or Take Care.

Sort of how a lot of the 80s synth pop and r&b legends who influenced kanye have indirectly influenced the people influenced by 808s.

That's the main difference between them all in style to me, Andre sounds more like Prince, Ye sounds more like Tears for Fears lol and Drake sounds closer to 808s than TLB. But i think it all starts with Andre, in terms of that being a viable career move

ok so dude gave Take Care a 6. no wonder he thinks CLB is a 3.
I at least respect Fantano's consistency. He doesn't like Drake. Period. And that's okay. I mean, I think he's wrong, but he speaks his truth as a critic.

damn i wish i was in this stream when it happened lol

take care and mbdtf being 6s show we dont really align musically and thats ok

but he also gave things i love great scores too

but anybody who puts too much weight into his opinion is hilarious

A 6 for him is actually like an 8/10 really

In his eyes a 6 is a great Album

Take Care was mostly a positive review tho. a 6 in his eyes is still good

damn fantano cooked los pollos

3/10 is exactly what I was scared to call it when I heard it, but I agree with it at this point

For the record Donda’s a 7.5 to me

I’m watching this now holy f*** this lospollos guy is incapable of debating

I didn’t know he reviewed Care Package. Giving it a 3 is pretty harsh. Giving it a review in general is kinda dumb tbh.