Tuneout

4mo

That was signed by multiple chiefs lol

Free YoungBoy

4mo

Just read it. I can understand where they are coming from but overall I disagree. I can’t say that ending Mink Farms and other types of fur farms is an attack on them. Even the article says mink farming isn’t a tradition in their culture.

Fur farming is different than hunting animals for food and harvesting the pelt for clothes. I’m fine with the sale of fur in that sense but dedicated farms specifically for fur is something I can’t really agree with

opiumiku

4mo

politicians sign off on corrupt s*** all the time, doesn’t mean anything lol

Tuneout

4mo

And in doing number 2 and 3, you have to support fur and eating meat. I already made my stance on large scale factory farming for any motif very clear lol

el conquistador

4mo

What you are saying is simply not true. I can respect their traditions without supporting the killing and exploitation of animals.

This is a foundational component of our global society. Infinite examples of this can be provided.

Tuneout

4mo

I think if theyre humane and familly owned it’s fine. And it is something that still supports people.
I respect this opinion, even if I don’t agree with it

opiumiku

4mo

there is no humane way to kill an animal for their fur and you know these places are keeping these animals in horrible conditions

Tuneout

4mo

I support the conditions being good. They usually are in smaller familly owned farms.
And there for sure is, you can use an animals products while still treating the animal with respect.

opiumiku

4mo

taking the life of something that wants to live is not respectful at all

Tuneout

4mo

Using these animal products is a core part of the culture. You cannot seperate the two.

Tuneout

4mo

Completely disagree it’s the circle of life. And theres no way around it too, there’s still habitat loss and animals dying when creating farms for vegetables. I respect if people want to personally abstain from it, i was vegetarian for a couple of years like I see the appeal in the not eating meat. And there are whole religions and cultures that also abstain from eating meat. But it’s the imposing this view on other people, cultures, countries, societies, when while being simultaneously abstaining from meat, the environment is still being legitimately ruined through just a whole swath of things that a significant number of vegetarians and vegans participate in, that’s ignorant.

el conquistador

4mo

nothing is more ignorant than equating humans in modern society killing animals for exploitive reasons as the circle of life.

el conquistador

4mo

I am not separating them. I said in plain text: I respect their traditions but do not support them.

Unfortunately for their culture, our society has evolved and eliminated the need for their culturally motivated killing of animals. Many cultural traditions have ended due to modernism. It is not “cultural genocide” (whatever the f*** that means)

Tuneout

4mo

Completely disagree it’s the circle of life. And theres no way around it too, there’s still habitat loss and animals dying when creating farms for vegetables. I respect if people want to personally abstain from it, i was vegetarian for a couple of years like I see the appeal in the not eating meat. And there are whole religions and cultures that also abstain from eating meat. But it’s the imposing this view on other people, cultures, countries, societies, when while being simultaneously abstaining from meat, the environment is still being legitimately ruined through just a whole swath of things that a significant number of vegetarians and vegans participate in, that’s ignorant.

Free YoungBoy

4mo

Circle of life to me would be like raising rabbits for the meat and then harvesting the fur and skin to not let the entire animal go to waste.

Who’s really out here eating Mink, Chinchilla or Fox like that?

Tuneout

4mo

Im mostly talking about the first one. Usually rabbits are hunted too and my family has done that and theyre very yummy.

And yeah those animals are more wasteful, but its still environmentally sustainable resource that if the animals are kept in the humane conditions is not different than eating meat.
All clothing production is damaging to the environment and kills animals through habitat loss theres no way around it.

Kinda of a tangent but something I do not respect at all is sport/trophy hunting and sport fishing. Killing/hurting an animal and not using it is very disrespectful.

Tuneout

4mo

Im mostly talking about the first one. Usually rabbits are hunted too and my family has done that and theyre very yummy.

And yeah those animals are more wasteful, but its still environmentally sustainable resource that if the animals are kept in the humane conditions is not different than eating meat.
All clothing production is damaging to the environment and kills animals through habitat loss theres no way around it.

Kinda of a tangent but something I do not respect at all is sport/trophy hunting and sport fishing. Killing/hurting an animal and not using it is very disrespectful.

XCX Spice

4mo

the animal is dead it dont care if u respect it

Tuneout

4mo

So you respect them continuing? You dont see the how saying people who have been doing this for thousands of years should evolve is disrespectful towards culture? When that lifestyle has never damaged the environment. You should research what it is then and also in the context of indigenous people in canada and usa.

Free YoungBoy

4mo

Definitely agree on the trophy hunting point

XCX Spice

4mo

the animal is dead it dont care if u respect it

el conquistador

4mo

Don’t kill it in the first place. Very simple

XCX Spice

4mo

ima have my chipotle and wingstop regardless

Tuneout

4mo

People that hate on fur are the worst. Imagine thinking plastic products that never degrade are better for the environment than fur.

Not to mention how racist it is toward indigenous people who have been wearing fur products for thousands of years.

It’s one thing to want better conditions for fur farms and stuff, or wanting to use the whole animal for products, be respectful and not solely kill them for fur, but just being blanket anti fur is a very uneducated and a usually racist pov.

el conquistador

4mo

I respect their traditions but do not support killing of animals. You have changed your argument dramatically, by the way. What happened to the claim of “cultural genocide”?

Most animal activists are not after indigenous peoples. The vast majority are fighting to stop animal farming of all varieties. Indigenous people’s traditions are caught in the crossfire (highlighted by your earlier link). A better argument is that animal farming companies are doing more harm to indigenous people’s traditions than animal activists.

These topics are rich in nuance. Unlike your perspective.