Like I said before, Kanye means well, but y'all do know that their are other factors that go into why someone might not want to have a baby, right?

also I dont know if you guys know this, but the last thing planet earth needs is more people on it

Literally everyone knows this

So then what's wrong with me simply stating that this has the potential to be seen as "problematic"

Because that's literally all I'm saying here.

I don't agree or disagree with his plans but like I said I find It interesting that people are already attacking him when this exist already really.

This isn't about the issue or what he said but how people feel about Kanye and pro life things in general.

I respect the fact you admit this rather then pretend you're being objective on it tho.

I do have an opinion and I'm not swayed but thanks for thinking you're "reaching out"

Like I said in the post you quoted I don't care cause I don't want children.

@TuxedoMask This guys post is gaslighting

bru this isn't a replacement of plan b or abortions. if ppl got rzns to not go along with kanye's plan, they can just do one of those instead

what then becomes the issue

I'm not shocked you provided zero rebuttals or explanation tbh

Tuxedo Mask/Haram and PapiPedro are on the two opposite ends of how you react when you already have a belief and it's challenged.

Had an feels as tho abortion is murder and refuses to recognize that I don't and don't care.

Tuxedo just outright won't accept that people ITT are being objective on the topic.

PapiPedro admitted his assumptions and stepped back from debate while standing by his pro choice beliefs.

Be PapiPedro people

I don't think he cares tbh

Rebuttal to what? I'm not disagreeing with y'all.

@TuxedoMask

@TuxedoMask

There is a reason why I put a question mark after the word "gaslighting" I wasn't being rhetorical when I asked "what else would you call this"

I'm trying to figure out what the narrative on this is going to be.

When it gets pushed.

It doesn't feel you're tryna figure out the "narrative" tho you seemed to give your thoughts out early on saying it could be exploitative in concept and said it could be extortion.

You never explained how when I asked and raised comparisons.

Idk why you're tryna say now "Oh I'm just tryna find the narrative" when you came ITT with clear opinions that were your own.

That's not tru

In a lot of countries birth rates are dropping and that brings a lot of trouble in its own right. Population decline is a v real threat and not a good thing. Or we're going to need a big change in our societies to deal with it

"He means well, but I can see this being flipped into being some form of extortion"

If you're saying people may make this narrative you should edit and clarify it as such

The entire post reads as YOUR beliefs

I can’t be seen as problematic that doesn’t mean in reality it is problematic

It has potential to be for sure

I keep trying to respond to your last post, but then seeing that you posted another.

I was actually going to bring up my first post ITT, the closest thing to me stating my "beliefs" or opinions on this is when I keep re-iterating that Kanye means well and that this could be exploitable (emphasis on could). And then everything preferencing and following that has been trying to explore how this can be flipped into something problematic.

You asked me what's the difference between this and any other shelter that provide the same kind of opportunities and benefits to mothers, and I responded by saying that, going off the logic and information given (by which I mean the OP of this thread and that segment from Ye's campaign speech where he mentions Plan A), that he seems to be making "not having an abortion" a requirement. Whereas the latter provides for all kinds of mothers.

Maybe instead of just typing "gaslighting(?)" or "extortion(?)" I should've instead said something along the lines of "I'm tryna figure out what the word for this would be, could this be considered "blank"? " to better clarify my intent.

If you want more of my actual thoughts on this: I think all Kanye has to do, assuming it hasn't already been, is clarify how this

theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children?
having children is setting up generations of greenhouse gas emissions. The only scholarly rebuttal to this has been that we're not accounting for what will "almost assuredly" be stricter environmental regulations in our children and grandchildrens lifetimes. But these people are counting on human beings to do the right thing

Lmao this is not accurate. Ye’s specified how he wouldn’t change abortion legislation. This is an option for people not a mandate.

Dawg I literally said all this ITT nothing in my post says it's a mandate either I simply pointed out why he has the logic he has.

I was critical of him and I also defended him ITT which you would have seen if you read on

Yea I did my bad❤️