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  • Oct 14, 2024
    Shin Chan

    I literally just read this rn holy s*** lmao

    Typhlosion a FAN

    we thot the library stories and pokedex entires couldnt get any wilder

    this aint what we meant for "grown up"pokemon gamefreak

  • Oct 14, 2024
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    Water Giver

    all of the hyper-realism art is so interesting

    and some of them resemble final pokemon like the probably-beta of cacturne but drawn in this specific artstyle

    i wonder what it was for, reminds me of dark fantasy games concept art for animals and local enemies

    like look at this

    i wanna know what this style and aesthetic was for so bad

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    Water Giver

    like look at this

    i wanna know what this style and aesthetic was for so bad

    i see few pages before people are posting art itt so:

    apparently, people are saying one of their design exercises they do for creature design in gen 2 and 3 is that they would draw early ideas as full-on "monsters", literally, to see the "true"monstrous features they can get out of a pokemon and then they tone it down while keeping its overall essences - which could explain some pokedex entries more too

    apparently they done it with tyranitar before like this early cacturne

    look at these guys

    The only one i could see being a "real pokemon" toned down, out of the ones i posted, is the yellow-brownish rock monkey/tiger thing & the clam

  • Oct 14, 2024

    maybe the spider rock is just metagross fully monster-fied

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    the lore bits are the best parts honestly

  • Oct 14, 2024

    They finally got X&Y and I'm in tears, damn near every Pokemon is a placeholder PNG picture of the pokemon that appears where the model should be lmaoooooo

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    Water Giver

    i see few pages before people are posting art itt so:

    apparently, people are saying one of their design exercises they do for creature design in gen 2 and 3 is that they would draw early ideas as full-on "monsters", literally, to see the "true"monstrous features they can get out of a pokemon and then they tone it down while keeping its overall essences - which could explain some pokedex entries more too

    apparently they done it with tyranitar before like this early cacturne

    look at these guys

    The only one i could see being a "real pokemon" toned down, out of the ones i posted, is the yellow-brownish rock monkey/tiger thing & the clam

    This isn't true lol. According to the internal conversations attached to the images is that Gen 3 was originally going to be darker and more gritty than gen 1 and 2. Around 2000 the call came down to not go through with it, so they scrapped these. It's interviews Sugimori did in 2004 or 2005 stating that Cacturn original design is that monster design we see here. They was going to be terrifying and more monster like. But they was scared they would run off the player base.

    The top one is Alpha Metagross, fish thing is Alpha Sharpedo, Alpha Slaking, Alpha Clampearl, Alpha Manectric.

    We already know Tyranitar alpha and beta designs from the first Gigaleak

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    Smuchador

    the lore bits are the best parts honestly

    Have you read the internal conversations?!? That's the real treasures. We get to see what exactly is going through their heads during the design process.

    • Ohmori was scared of death threats
    • They actually do listen to feedback and was terrified of dexit but they was far to ahead to start development over.
    • Gen V was suppose to have mega evolution and a fusion mechanic that was scrapped because western fans was upset they could catch Gen 1-4 Pokemon during the main story
    • Most of the spriting and art for those scrapped Pokemon was done, but Masuda told Sugimori and the rest of the dev team to "get rid of them"
    • There was suppose to be way more Pokemon that was suppose to use that fusion key item colress gives us in BW2.
    • Black and White and then Black and White 2 was suppose to have been on the 3DS. Both was scrapped after fan backlash they turned to beauty(X&Y) and thew in as many Gen 1-4 Pokemon as possible.
    • Originally there was Gen 5 megas and they also was scrapped because GF was under the impression western fans didn't like Gen 5. - Sugimori back and forth arguments with Ohmori regarding Scarlet and Violets development
    • Sugimori hated the school theme of Scarlet and Violet. Thought it was redundant and made no sense because you don't even spend time at school. Least favorite character design, etc, etc. Him and Ohmori bickered about it back and forth before just letting Ohmori have his way.
    • Sugimori pissed at the anime staff
    • They already developed new mega evolutions that the anime staff was against but Game Freak is forcing them to use it anymore in Horizon
    • The real reason Ash left the show
    • Sugimori scolding Masuda for his rush decisions during gen 3
    • Gen 3 started development in 2000 and was originally dark
    • Game Freak basically controls the anime and has A LOT more sway than we thought they did with Pokemon's IP.

    It's a lot and I'm still reading the conversations

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    Ultima
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    Have you read the internal conversations?!? That's the real treasures. We get to see what exactly is going through their heads during the design process.

    • Ohmori was scared of death threats
    • They actually do listen to feedback and was terrified of dexit but they was far to ahead to start development over.
    • Gen V was suppose to have mega evolution and a fusion mechanic that was scrapped because western fans was upset they could catch Gen 1-4 Pokemon during the main story
    • Most of the spriting and art for those scrapped Pokemon was done, but Masuda told Sugimori and the rest of the dev team to "get rid of them"
    • There was suppose to be way more Pokemon that was suppose to use that fusion key item colress gives us in BW2.
    • Black and White and then Black and White 2 was suppose to have been on the 3DS. Both was scrapped after fan backlash they turned to beauty(X&Y) and thew in as many Gen 1-4 Pokemon as possible.
    • Originally there was Gen 5 megas and they also was scrapped because GF was under the impression western fans didn't like Gen 5. - Sugimori back and forth arguments with Ohmori regarding Scarlet and Violets development
    • Sugimori hated the school theme of Scarlet and Violet. Thought it was redundant and made no sense because you don't even spend time at school. Least favorite character design, etc, etc. Him and Ohmori bickered about it back and forth before just letting Ohmori have his way.
    • Sugimori pissed at the anime staff
    • They already developed new mega evolutions that the anime staff was against but Game Freak is forcing them to use it anymore in Horizon
    • The real reason Ash left the show
    • Sugimori scolding Masuda for his rush decisions during gen 3
    • Gen 3 started development in 2000 and was originally dark
    • Game Freak basically controls the anime and has A LOT more sway than we thought they did with Pokemon's IP.

    It's a lot and I'm still reading the conversations

    you readin 'em on discord?

  • Oct 14, 2024
    Smuchador

    you readin 'em on discord?

    Yeah it's some on discord. I think a few made it to twitter

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    Oct 14, 2024
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    Smuchador

    you readin 'em on discord?

    lol what was the real reason ash left

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    Nayuta

    lol what was the real reason ash left

    @Ultima

  • Oct 14, 2024
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    Nayuta

    @Ultima

    Ash voice actor and Pikachu voice actors didn't like each other and Pikachu voice actor had become hard to work with. Game Freak wanted to just replace her but then ultimately decided to just go their separate ways with both actors and reboot the anime.

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    If it wasn't for that we would probably still have Ash and Pikachu in the anime.

    Also the entire plot for Horizons leaked.

    • Sugimori still was complaining about the school theme and that's why Horizons doesn't follow S&V plot.
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    Ultima

    If it wasn't for that we would probably still have Ash and Pikachu in the anime.

    Also the entire plot for Horizons leaked.

    • Sugimori still was complaining about the school theme and that's why Horizons doesn't follow S&V plot.

    bruh can you link an invite? either here or in pm? I can't enter from the reddit one

  • Oct 14, 2024
    Smuchador

    bruh can you link an invite? either here or in pm? I can't enter from the reddit one

    I think they closed the invites because Centro sent a bunch of trolls. I'm going to start saving everything and uploading them to imgur when I get a chance. Many are on Twitter like scattered.

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    Ultima

    Have you read the internal conversations?!? That's the real treasures. We get to see what exactly is going through their heads during the design process.

    • Ohmori was scared of death threats
    • They actually do listen to feedback and was terrified of dexit but they was far to ahead to start development over.
    • Gen V was suppose to have mega evolution and a fusion mechanic that was scrapped because western fans was upset they could catch Gen 1-4 Pokemon during the main story
    • Most of the spriting and art for those scrapped Pokemon was done, but Masuda told Sugimori and the rest of the dev team to "get rid of them"
    • There was suppose to be way more Pokemon that was suppose to use that fusion key item colress gives us in BW2.
    • Black and White and then Black and White 2 was suppose to have been on the 3DS. Both was scrapped after fan backlash they turned to beauty(X&Y) and thew in as many Gen 1-4 Pokemon as possible.
    • Originally there was Gen 5 megas and they also was scrapped because GF was under the impression western fans didn't like Gen 5. - Sugimori back and forth arguments with Ohmori regarding Scarlet and Violets development
    • Sugimori hated the school theme of Scarlet and Violet. Thought it was redundant and made no sense because you don't even spend time at school. Least favorite character design, etc, etc. Him and Ohmori bickered about it back and forth before just letting Ohmori have his way.
    • Sugimori pissed at the anime staff
    • They already developed new mega evolutions that the anime staff was against but Game Freak is forcing them to use it anymore in Horizon
    • The real reason Ash left the show
    • Sugimori scolding Masuda for his rush decisions during gen 3
    • Gen 3 started development in 2000 and was originally dark
    • Game Freak basically controls the anime and has A LOT more sway than we thought they did with Pokemon's IP.

    It's a lot and I'm still reading the conversations

    F*** pokemon fans🙏🙏

  • Oct 14, 2024

    I really want to see the convos between the big dogs after scarlet and violet dropped

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    Ultima

    Have you read the internal conversations?!? That's the real treasures. We get to see what exactly is going through their heads during the design process.

    • Ohmori was scared of death threats
    • They actually do listen to feedback and was terrified of dexit but they was far to ahead to start development over.
    • Gen V was suppose to have mega evolution and a fusion mechanic that was scrapped because western fans was upset they could catch Gen 1-4 Pokemon during the main story
    • Most of the spriting and art for those scrapped Pokemon was done, but Masuda told Sugimori and the rest of the dev team to "get rid of them"
    • There was suppose to be way more Pokemon that was suppose to use that fusion key item colress gives us in BW2.
    • Black and White and then Black and White 2 was suppose to have been on the 3DS. Both was scrapped after fan backlash they turned to beauty(X&Y) and thew in as many Gen 1-4 Pokemon as possible.
    • Originally there was Gen 5 megas and they also was scrapped because GF was under the impression western fans didn't like Gen 5. - Sugimori back and forth arguments with Ohmori regarding Scarlet and Violets development
    • Sugimori hated the school theme of Scarlet and Violet. Thought it was redundant and made no sense because you don't even spend time at school. Least favorite character design, etc, etc. Him and Ohmori bickered about it back and forth before just letting Ohmori have his way.
    • Sugimori pissed at the anime staff
    • They already developed new mega evolutions that the anime staff was against but Game Freak is forcing them to use it anymore in Horizon
    • The real reason Ash left the show
    • Sugimori scolding Masuda for his rush decisions during gen 3
    • Gen 3 started development in 2000 and was originally dark
    • Game Freak basically controls the anime and has A LOT more sway than we thought they did with Pokemon's IP.

    It's a lot and I'm still reading the conversations

  • Oct 14, 2024
    MIXTAPEHNDRXXFREE
    https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1845650030931124548

    Idk what Centro is talking about people was posting the conversation along with the fusion mechanic. I'll see if I can find the conversation on the discord

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    MIXTAPEHNDRXXFREE
    https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1845650030931124548

    Idk if it's fake or not. Nobody in the discord has said it's fake yet. But they have been feeding Centro fake leaks ever since they got banned. But it's definitely a conversation about the fusion mechanic in one file.

    Edit: why I can never get imgur to work on here anymore 😭

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    Ultima
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    Idk if it's fake or not. Nobody in the discord has said it's fake yet. But they have been feeding Centro fake leaks ever since they got banned. But it's definitely a conversation about the fusion mechanic in one file.

    Edit: why I can never get imgur to work on here anymore 😭

    yep i know they been feeding his (pretty annoying) ass fake info, so when the tweet popped up i was impressed because this was a big leak

    Maybe he means another thing? i was investigating and havent found no one confirming its fake too

    btw can u pm the discord invite? i want to get all the info fr fr

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    MIXTAPEHNDRXXFREE

    yep i know they been feeding his (pretty annoying) ass fake info, so when the tweet popped up i was impressed because this was a big leak

    Maybe he means another thing? i was investigating and havent found no one confirming its fake too

    btw can u pm the discord invite? i want to get all the info fr fr

    Let me see if they have the invite open again.

  • Oct 14, 2024
    MIXTAPEHNDRXXFREE

    yep i know they been feeding his (pretty annoying) ass fake info, so when the tweet popped up i was impressed because this was a big leak

    Maybe he means another thing? i was investigating and havent found no one confirming its fake too

    btw can u pm the discord invite? i want to get all the info fr fr

    Yeah I can't find anyone saying it's fake except him and he's not even credible enough to know anything. He's getting everything like eclipse is from the discord.