Jan 8, 2023·2 replies
FellaThey don’t have to make threads. They’ve taken artists to court to try to get their work banned.
Not surprised you couldn’t come up with an example, lol loser
- Jan 8, 2023·1 replyOkay Yeah
Not surprised you couldn’t come up with an example, lol loser
Oh f*** off.
Jan 8, 2023FellaLmao I’m not touching this, but respect the audacity.
I saw tons of blackface in comedy media growing up and there wasn’t a huge uproar outside of Tropic Thunder
Jan 8, 2023
ElricJust boils down to the fact that political ideology is just about the last thing me or anybody watches a Buster Keaton film for. Also he only has one or two scenes in any of his films with very minor black face and none of them are mean spirited or racist beyond that.
I think I watch everything w that in mind lol. But I don’t think it hinders my enjoyment. I just think a lot of the most persuasive ideological work takes place in unexpected places, and that unexpected quality (or rather, unassuming) allows for the most wide spread conditioning. Culture is the main terrain I tend to observe for these insights, but I don’t judge anyone for enjoying Keaton’s films! (emphasis on the films and NOT the man lol) I could still respect some of its techniques and comedic rhythm
- Jan 8, 2023Fella
Oh f*** off.
- Jan 8, 2023·editedOkay Yeah
Not surprised you couldn’t come up with an example, lol loser
you ever heard of… McCarthyism? how about the obscenity court cases for Kenneth Anger’s films bc of their depiction of homosexuality in a neutral light?
if you think ktt threads are more impactful than real world attempts to legally constrain, on the basis of morality, what films get circulated you should probably take some time away from the internet
Jan 8, 2023·1 replyFellaI really wasn’t expecting to get into the whole child abuser aspect of it as that’s naturally really uncomfortable. I get that’s the basis of many of those studies, but they’re just an extreme example to highlight a larger idea. I simply brought it up to suggest that it’s worth having a little self awareness of the mechanics that lead to our responses or how it’s totally possible to elevate something beyond what it is to something much more harmful. I’d rather not take an abstraction and problematize it more than it ought to be leading to a worse case scenario for a wider group of people. I don’t want more people to feel worse when they engage with something. It’s similar to language and attempts to reclaim certain words. It’s a good thing when that’s possible. I remember I think it was the New York Times years back publishing an interesting piece on why attempts to slurify the R word were counter productive ultimately. Again I don’t want to get in the weeds on that in particular. Just another example of a broader idea. Culture is ultimately manufactured and it’s totally within the power of the institutions and influential people that dictate it to make certain aspects of it less painful.
That's an interesting point, I disagree with that take re: child abuse, not because it's uncomfortable, but I just think it's incorrect. With regards to media it's definitely more nuanced though, I've seen television retrospectives where the children of Indian immigrants are shocked at stereotypical portrayals of Indians from 70s TV shows, while their parents, who watched them at the time, see nothing wrong with it. That's just one example, but I agree with you in that the increase in 'problematic' being a term used in media a***ysis has gone hand-in-hand with particular cultural developments on the internet from the 2010s onwards, teenagers on Tumblr being a genuinely influencial factor, as stereotypical as that sounds.
The question then would be, if somehow people online suddenly became way more chill about 'problematic' content, would they actually suffer less? I think there's some truth in Žižek's description of racist jokes between friends as a true expression of camaraderie, each person expressing horrible sentiments but knowing the other closely enough that there's no malice present, people could end up a lot more relaxed about offensive jokes in that kind of vein.
On the other hand, today's paranoid culture regarding problematic content was an overcorrection to a time where casual racism, homophobia etc was commonplace on the internet, and if you talk to people from different backgrounds about that time, it could be a pretty unwelcoming place. I'm not sure if a shift in that direction could allow some real nastiness to creep in as well.To be honest though, beyond the result of a glacial cultural shift, this harm-minimising model of cultural attitudes towards media is something that I can only really see happening as a thought experiment, I don't really have too much to say about it besides 'Who knows?'. It's been interesting discussing this with you though, I appreciate the good-faith discussion about a pretty inflammatory topic.
- Jan 8, 2023Fries
That's an interesting point, I disagree with that take re: child abuse, not because it's uncomfortable, but I just think it's incorrect. With regards to media it's definitely more nuanced though, I've seen television retrospectives where the children of Indian immigrants are shocked at stereotypical portrayals of Indians from 70s TV shows, while their parents, who watched them at the time, see nothing wrong with it. That's just one example, but I agree with you in that the increase in 'problematic' being a term used in media a***ysis has gone hand-in-hand with particular cultural developments on the internet from the 2010s onwards, teenagers on Tumblr being a genuinely influencial factor, as stereotypical as that sounds.
The question then would be, if somehow people online suddenly became way more chill about 'problematic' content, would they actually suffer less? I think there's some truth in Žižek's description of racist jokes between friends as a true expression of camaraderie, each person expressing horrible sentiments but knowing the other closely enough that there's no malice present, people could end up a lot more relaxed about offensive jokes in that kind of vein.
On the other hand, today's paranoid culture regarding problematic content was an overcorrection to a time where casual racism, homophobia etc was commonplace on the internet, and if you talk to people from different backgrounds about that time, it could be a pretty unwelcoming place. I'm not sure if a shift in that direction could allow some real nastiness to creep in as well.To be honest though, beyond the result of a glacial cultural shift, this harm-minimising model of cultural attitudes towards media is something that I can only really see happening as a thought experiment, I don't really have too much to say about it besides 'Who knows?'. It's been interesting discussing this with you though, I appreciate the good-faith discussion about a pretty inflammatory topic.
This is honestly really fascinating and you’ve given me a lot to think about it. It’s certainly incredibly complicated. Like you said—a lot of this does end up just being a thought experiment as it’s impossible to really know how this ultimately vague model could be applied.
Jan 18, 2023Not a film but I was watching King of Queens tonight
There’s a character where his whole gimmick is being a creep and it’s played up for laughs.
One ep he is supposed to be taking photos of this anniversary party but he’s focused on one girl. They keep telling to go talk to her and he’s all like “it ruins the mystique” or some s***
He pops up again and shows photos and it’s all photos of the girl even at her house when he’s like outside of it
Later the girl asks him to take photos, he does. Episode ends with her coming downstairs saying how the shoot was done real fast & he ran out of film and ran out saying “this never happened before”
I get the joke was an innuendo for him just c*******fast or him actually nutting from taking pics of her but god damn lol
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