Either way dpr and lpr should keep to land they already have and not turn more of Ukraine into a decaying s***hole where it isn't even wanted

They should have the territory where the people voted for their independence, which is the entirety of Luhansk and Donetsk

what exaclty you reffering to? and where

atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-other-referendum-in-eastern-ukraine

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

You do not seriously believe this is valid do you

Why do all polls show that the region wants independence from Ukraine?

Why didn't Ukraine propose a referendum with international observers if they were so sure?

Why should ukraine give referendums to regions in which russia is funneling weapons and stoking tensions? Don't give them the oxygen

This happens all the time in conflicts, Ukraine isn't special that they don't have to take reality on the ground into account. That's what the west has led them to believe and that delusion is gonna cost them only more and more lives being lost as this conflict goes on.

so you mean dnipro-donbas referendum as a part of ukraine? you know it wasn't even official and made no sence since dnipro was already in ukraine

what exactly west led them to believe? and how it caused more victims?

it seems to me that it's classic "she provoked him" rapist excuse argument. if not, please elaborate

Wasn't this she provoked him bit literally a tweet losted in the cringe thread @krishna_bound

Not even gonna respond to that yall have a nice day doing propaganda for your european holy war with somebody else

so no specifics? as usual

and what about that referendum?

U getting blocked tbh i shoulda done that when u tried to say i should be more pro-ukraine bc "look how russians treat you black people" racist pos

liberalism is f***ing insane

that post was dumb, but it was about ussr climate and post-ussr culture. ukraine was a part of ussr too

we were arguing about you fetishizing ussr

wow, i'm lib again

Because a few weirdos run by a con artist in the east want independence, Russia gets that, your entire coastline, and turns your government into a puppet

Seems fair

yeah it was that was probably like 20 pages ago now though

and it wasn't russian FSB officer strelkov (girkin) who operated the "resistance". there weren't buses from russia with "protesters". and their strike forces were not mostly constisted of russian citizens from poor regions (criminals included)

it was just miners with picks. seems very convincing for hammer & sickle weirdos itt

russian bot twitter continues their hunt for swastikas!

stop clowning americana's subscriptions

but it's really amusing how delirious twitter socialists ignore the fact that there is no more nazi country at the continent than modern russia, trying to find swastikas under their own toilet seats

btw this is one of the commanders of LNR. came from russia in 2014 to free luhansk from something

(nazism maybe)

and it's not just swastika. this is a real psycho. he had blog, where he posted snuff content with himself killing and decapitating homeless dogs. some russians enjoyed that stuff and he became popular. later he started recruiting fanatic young men for the private army and opened white supremacy club, backed by russian government. he openly calls himself nazi, his nickname is fritz, but still got immunity and nobody touching him. he had photos with local russian officials, even get invited to some events. when the things become heated, they send him to donbas or syria. wouldn't post it here what he did with dead bodys of ukrainians in 2014/2015, but you can google it. that scum name is alexei milchakov