NATO is a defensive alliance, it’s only a strategic threat to Russia if Russia gives them a reason to invoke article 5
Communists support Putin because they both oppose the US
NATO in its entire history has only taken aggressive military action
And communists don't support Putin at all you're just unable to understand that criticizing US policy in this conflict isn't an endorsement of the other side
Putin is the successor of a US-supported Russian nationalist government led by Yeltsin who went rogue and stopped pursuing US interests, there is nothing worthy of support here
NATO is a defensive alliance, it’s only a strategic threat to Russia if Russia gives them a reason to invoke article 5
Communists support Putin because they both oppose the US
you really gotta be 10 years old to genuinely believe the “defensive” alliance bullshit
i'm interested in what evidence you have for the idea that zelensky wants to 'invade russia back' or even win an aggressive war.
Unless there's evidence otherwise, he only wants the territory he perceives as taken by russian aggression back
I think you misread my post. I didn't actually say he wants to invade Russia back, I was rhetorically asking what his goals are on the long term given the escalation of his rhetoric to the international western community and seemingly nonsensical shift in domestic strategy - I wasn't actually saying he wants to invade Russia. However my point about winning a war of aggression with Russia stands regardless, not because I think he is going to invade Russia (namely because Ukraine doesn't have the resources for that to begin with), but rather that he desperately wants to embroil allies into a situation where they will do the fighting for them, i.e. the allies will fight the war of aggression on their behalf. He so desperately wants the US to join the war directly that he has basically tried to provoke situations that could have caused nuclear war.
This is like when they asked the US to establish a red line or a no-fly zone. What did they think the outcome of that would be? That would be an actual declaration of war against Russia, it's not going to be a deterrent; a deterrent would have been doing that pre-war (which of course didn't happen because his position on geopolitics changed throughout his term)...establishing a no-fly zone mid-war is joining the war straight up.
in order to keep it effective, any attempts to alter the european regional order by russia must be challenged
That's an admission of the real function of what purpose NATO serves, a US-based regional order in opposition to a Russian-based regional order. I would rather have neither personally
to be fair that's basically what NATO says it exists for, it's not exactly a freudian slip. like its mission statement is literally something like "guarantee the order and security of its members and regional interests"
You can vote in russia
people misreading this as defense of Russia and not pointing out the reality of how useless voting/democracy is
you really gotta be 10 years old to genuinely believe the “defensive” alliance bullshit
No, you just have to not be a cynical, jaded chip on the shoulder ass mf
to be fair that's basically what NATO says it exists for, it's not exactly a freudian slip. like its mission statement is literally something like "guarantee the order and security of its members and regional interests"
NATO doesn't explicitly state its bias for the US tho, it tries to portray itself as a defensive alliance between countries that doesn't further US interests
NATO in its entire history has only taken aggressive military action
And communists don't support Putin at all you're just unable to understand that criticizing US policy in this conflict isn't an endorsement of the other side
Putin is the successor of a US-supported Russian nationalist government led by Yeltsin who went rogue and stopped pursuing US interests, there is nothing worthy of support here
That’s why all the communists are saying how Putin is gonna win the war right
NATO doesn't explicitly state its bias for the US tho, it tries to portray itself as a defensive alliance between countries that doesn't further US interests
that's fair but imo any western country saying "maintain order" is basically saying "maintain US order" because let's not act like "order" means anything other than US-led cultural hegemony. because it's not like a NATO country is gonna suddenly go down any other ideological path unless there was a literal revolution
That’s why all the communists are saying how Putin is gonna win the war right
What does that have to do with literally anything I said
Also there is no consensus among communists on whether Russia is winning the war or not
I for one think it does Putin more harm than good regardless of what he'll end up accomplishing in Ukraine
That’s why all the communists are saying how Putin is gonna win the war right
acknowledging reality isn’t supporting Putin lol
that's fair but imo any western country saying "maintain order" is basically saying "maintain US order" because let's not act like "order" means anything other than US-led cultural hegemony. because it's not like a NATO country is gonna suddenly go down any other ideological path unless there was a literal revolution
No kidding, the question is do we want American hegemony or Russian/Chinese hegemony
that's fair but imo any western country saying "maintain order" is basically saying "maintain US order" because let's not act like "order" means anything other than US-led cultural hegemony. because it's not like a NATO country is gonna suddenly go down any other ideological path unless there was a literal revolution
Ofc not but liberals try to act like it's not that
acknowledging reality isn’t supporting Putin lol
Russia is not going to win this war. Anyone can see that. Saying Russia will win is concern trolling and carrying water for Russia.
1. Ukraine is a strategic threat to Russia by virtue of wanting to join the NATO while sharing a border to Russia. A big part of war is logistics, which is of course easier the closer you are to your enemy. Even rocket defense systems get out of whack when your enemy is much closer. What Russia does to counter this threat is the other question.
2. 2014 was not an invasion, but a civil war. The only invasion part was the annexation of Crimea, which happened without a fight. Both sides of the civil war having benefactors doesn't change this per se. It was of course also a cold war between Russia and the USA.
3. I'm not sure which communists you have spoken to, but there isn't any ideological reason that communists would have to support Putin. Opposition to certain aspects of how this war was handled doesn't equate support for Putin's nationalist drivel.
of all things you decided to tell me what was happening in ukraine back then? like really?
2014 was not an invasion, but a civil war
russian troops without chevrons and FSB officer girkin are not a civil war. it seems you really know nothing about this war, no need to go deeper even
the annexation of Crimea happened without a fight
little green men, without a single shot, right? do you actually check this or just replicating russian narratives? there was a resistance by crimean tatars & locals which was supressed, there were actual victims, some ukrainian soldiers gone missing (were killed)
Ofc not but liberals try to act like it's not that
see the post right above yours
No kidding, the question is do we want American hegemony or Russian/Chinese hegemony
No it's not lol
No it's not lol
Those are the only things on the table, realistically speaking
It doesn't even seem like Ukraine fought this battle the last week
Like i wouldn't be surprised if the troops dropped their weapons and dashed out of Lysychansk on no ones orders. Their ability to resist is (understandably) on a downward spiral. Only so much they can take. Idk how they expect these guys to go on like this
Usually when these cities fell they would try to flip it into something like "tactical withdraw" or "voluntary evacuations into enemy camps" but this happened so quickly following Severodonetsk that they couldn't even get ahead of it.
What does that have to do with literally anything I said
Also there is no consensus among communists on whether Russia is winning the war or not
I for one think it does Putin more harm than good regardless of what he'll end up accomplishing in Ukraine
There may not be a consensus, but I haven't seen any far left types consistently in support of Ukraine
Russia is not going to win this war. Anyone can see that. Saying Russia will win is concern trolling and carrying water for Russia.
what war are you watching lol have you seen the situation lately
Russia is not going to win this war. Anyone can see that. Saying Russia will win is concern trolling and carrying water for Russia.
Is this a serious comment? Have you seen what's been going on the past couple months?
No kidding, the question is do we want American hegemony or Russian/Chinese hegemony
Russia and China don't have overlapping geopolitical interests at all
Russia's geopolitical interests only include eastern europe and parts of the caucasus/south asia, everything else from them is simply reactionary to other geopolitical spheres
China's strive for "hegemony" is just about making money and growing GDP it's not about ideology
Those are the only things on the table, realistically speaking
There are countries not under US hegemony that aren't under Russian or Chinese hegemony either even currently. It's simply not true, you just gotta act like it's that way to make your caping for US imperialism sound more reasonable