Russo-Ukrainian War

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  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    There are countries not under US hegemony that aren't under Russian or Chinese hegemony either even currently. It's simply not true, you just gotta act like it's that way to make your caping for US imperialism sound more reasonable

    You know what I mean. The outcome of the proxy war determines a step toward one or the other

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    krishna bound

    Russia and China don't have overlapping geopolitical interests at all

    Russia's geopolitical interests only include eastern europe and parts of the caucasus/south asia, everything else from them is simply reactionary to other geopolitical spheres

    China's strive for "hegemony" is just about making money and growing GDP it's not about ideology

    Russia is becoming a Chinese vassal as a result of this war

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Plankton

    Russia is becoming a Chinese vassal as a result of this war

    what

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    YANDHI

    Is this a serious comment? Have you seen what's been going on the past couple months?

    Russia is making incremental gains in Donetsk. It is clear they will not take Kiev or Eastern Ukraine. The strategic aim of both sides now is to eliminate the other sides armed forces. As long as Western aid continues Russia will not be able to achieve that aim.

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    krishna bound

    people misreading this as defense of Russia and not pointing out the reality of how useless voting/democracy is

    everyone got americana's twitter sarcasm. but if you really think it's relatively the same, you don't know s*** about russian elections

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Plankton

    You know what I mean. The outcome of the proxy war determines a step toward one or the other

    Ukraine could have been neutral and not egged on to join NATO

    Ukrainian NATO membership was incredibly unpopular until US meddling in Ukraine 8 years ago

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Plankton

    Russia is becoming a Chinese vassal as a result of this war

    what hegemony or cultural values is China imposing on Russia

    growing its GDP by taking advantage of market opportunities has nothing to do with geopolitical ideology. by that logic Russia is becoming a vassal of India

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Ukraine could have been neutral and not egged on to join NATO

    Ukrainian NATO membership was incredibly unpopular until US meddling in Ukraine 8 years ago

    You misunderstand Russia's goal. It is about revanchism and nationalism. They would have attacked Ukraine regardless. Ukraine wants to join the EU and NATO for this reason.

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    krishna bound

    what hegemony or cultural values is China imposing on Russia

    growing its GDP by taking advantage of market opportunities has nothing to do with geopolitical ideology. by that logic Russia is becoming a vassal of India

    None. They are propping it up financially however. Look at Russian exports to China before and after the war started.

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Plankton

    None. They are propping it up financially however. Look at Russian exports to China before and after the war started.

    Okay but that's the point, hegemony isn't just about money

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    krishna bound

    Okay but that's the point, hegemony isn't just about money

    I didn't say China had hegemony. I'm saying they are the senior partner in the alliance. Like the US is to the UK.

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Plankton

    Russia is becoming a Chinese vassal as a result of this war

    wtf do yall be talking about lmaooo

  • Jul 3, 2022
    leif erikson

    of all things you decided to tell me what was happening in ukraine back then? like really?

    2014 was not an invasion, but a civil war

    russian troops without chevrons and FSB officer girkin are not a civil war. it seems you really know nothing about this war, no need to go deeper even

    the annexation of Crimea happened without a fight

    little green men, without a single shot, right? do you actually check this or just replicating russian narratives? there was a resistance by crimean tatars & locals which was supressed, there were actual victims, some ukrainian soldiers gone missing (were killed)

    Civilian resistance =/= war

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    leif erikson

    everyone got americana's twitter sarcasm. but if you really think it's relatively the same, you don't know s*** about russian elections

    It's not the same in practicality but in general yeah at least federally it's not too great over in the US either. local elections i will give people as "working" here in the US which is a big difference from other places abroad for sure, but there is no way i am going to pretend the federal project of the US works at all. just because there isn't stuff on the news about opposition being jailed doesn't mean it's not blatantly corrupt and against the interest of the people

  • Jul 3, 2022
    MyBallsAndMyWord

    wtf do yall be talking about lmaooo

    The war is an embarrassment for Russia

  • Jul 3, 2022
    leif erikson

    everyone got americana's twitter sarcasm. but if you really think it's relatively the same, you don't know s*** about russian elections

    dudes itt love sarcasm

  • Jul 3, 2022
    Plankton

    You misunderstand Russia's goal. It is about revanchism and nationalism. They would have attacked Ukraine regardless. Ukraine wants to join the EU and NATO for this reason.

    That's simply not true and the US themselves knew that internally, leaked cables been shown their knowledge of what they were doing pushing for Ukrainian NATO membership all the way back in 2008

    Is Russian nationalism a factor here? Obviously, but that doesn't mean NATO membership isn't what eventually led to the invasion. Even if it was only a smaller reason than Russian nationalism, at least take away the threat of NATO expansion so it makes Russia look bad, if they made an agreement that Ukraine wouldn't join NATO then nobody could point to anything except Putin

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Plankton

    I didn't say China had hegemony. I'm saying they are the senior partner in the alliance. Like the US is to the UK.

    you literally said US vs Russia/China hegemony in the original post as if they were a combined geopolitical entity

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Russia and China aren't really a cohesive bloc yet, and they might never become one. The EU and USA are way closer to each other.

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    krishna bound

    you literally said US vs Russia/China hegemony in the original post as if they were a combined geopolitical entity

    Yes, they are moving toward that type of alliance. Been known

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Russia and China aren't really a cohesive bloc yet, and they might never become one. The EU and USA are way closer to each other.

    Relations have become much closer during the Xi era

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Plankton

    Yes, they are moving toward that type of alliance. Been known

    you keep changing what you're saying in every other post

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    krishna bound

    you keep changing what you're saying in every other post

    Because those were two separate points I was making that you conflated, now we are getting confused

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    krishna bound

    It's not the same in practicality but in general yeah at least federally it's not too great over in the US either. local elections i will give people as "working" here in the US which is a big difference from other places abroad for sure, but there is no way i am going to pretend the federal project of the US works at all. just because there isn't stuff on the news about opposition being jailed doesn't mean it's not blatantly corrupt and against the interest of the people

    It already gets very murky at state election levels with all the insane gerrymandering and voter registration laws.

    I think a lot of Europeans don't realize you have to be on a list to vote in the USA.

    Look at these abominations:

  • Jul 3, 2022
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    Plankton

    Because those were two separate points I was making that you conflated, now we are getting confused

    no you just don’t have a coherent worldview whatsoever