I'm going to disagree with you in regards that this neo-nazi can gain any movement, zelenskyy was elected with 70% of the vote, that's crazy, nazi's were a political movement already before hitler joined, with many people unhappy in regards to ww1, depression, inflation etc. and only extremely right wing or left wing parties had any answers, they were a product of their time, what's happening in ukraine is very different, people are rallying around the current democratic government
But this can literally change on a dime, you know that right lol. Neo-Nazi sentiments have already been rising in Eastern Europe, especially in conflict with Western Europe's liberal economic policies and stances. COVID has only worsened this.
"Product of their time" man Neo-Nazi's are RALLYING AND GAINING SUPPORT AS WE SPEAK LOL. Fascism was never replaced by democracy and it never will be, it is a constantly evolving ideology that takes place in devastation. Depending on how far Putin takes this invasion, far-right proponents will only be more and more encouraged to take up arms to "defend" their national sovereignty.
It was only a few years ago that Le Pen had a chance at winning in the French elections, and she still had a solid chance of taking over Macron recently in popularity. Not to mention s*** like Golden Dawn jumping in popularity after the 2008 financial crisis or Jobbik in 2018.
EU working out the legal kinks to send weapons to Ukraine according to France24
First time in history if they send these weapons
And I want you to shut up sadly none of these things are about to happen
So you think we should just keep it going and cheering it on and attempting to defend it?
You said they werent “serious Nazis”
Said it's not a big deal. Ukraine is being supported by both Jews and Muslims. I'm going to have to conclude that this Nazi s*** clearly ain't what yall make it lol
So you think we should just keep it going and cheering it on and attempting to defend it?
a short war seems almost solely possible via a ukrainian surrender
im not saying any war is good as it's brutal and evil but do we really think theyre going to do this?
This is quickly going to turn from a war of the self defense of Ukraine to a s***ty proxy war between Russia and NATO that’s gonna destroy so many lives
EU working out the legal kinks to send weapons to Ukraine according to France24
First time in history if they send these weapons
They shouldn't
This is quickly going to turn from a war of the self defense of Ukraine to a s***ty proxy war between Russia and NATO that’s gonna destroy so many lives
Literally already is
Where is all this nazi discourse even coming from
From the presence of Nazis in the Ukrainian armed forces and Russians use of them as a cassus belli against the Ukrainians
This is quickly going to turn from a war of the self defense of Ukraine to a s***ty proxy war between Russia and NATO that’s gonna destroy so many lives
That's what it's been from the beginning
So is it that the Ukrainians are doing a great job and the Russians are failing or that they are desperate and need weapons or they’ll lose?
I want two things from this. I don’t care how such a solution is reached
1. I don’t want weapons to touch the hands of Nazis
2. I don’t want war that leads to innocent people dying
You are unequivocally attempting to justify an opposition to these two points. Why?
Yeah and what you want is unrealistic so the actual situation is you gotta choose between the lesser evil
Either you indirectly arm 1000 Nazis that are gonna defend the country and take care of them after the war or you let a country of 44M people suffer
From the presence of Nazis in the Ukrainian armed forces and Russians use of them as a cassus belli against the Ukrainians
Is nazi presence in the Ukrainian armed force really that substantial?
Said it's not a big deal. Ukraine is being supported by both Jews and Muslims. I'm going to have to conclude that this Nazi s*** clearly ain't what yall make it lol
Yeah fam the last time we said Nazis weren’t a big deal it was the 1930’s
And the last time we said arming right wing militias wasn’t a big deal it was Afghanistan in the 1980’s and iraq in the 2000’s
But this can literally change on a dime, you know that right lol. Neo-Nazi sentiments have already been rising in Eastern Europe, especially in conflict with Western Europe's liberal economic policies and stances. COVID has only worsened this.
"Product of their time" man Neo-Nazi's are RALLYING AND GAINING SUPPORT AS WE SPEAK LOL. Fascism was never replaced by democracy and it never will be, it is a constantly evolving ideology that takes place in devastation. Depending on how far Putin takes this invasion, far-right proponents will only be more and more encouraged to take up arms to "defend" their national sovereignty.
It was only a few years ago that Le Pen had a chance at winning in the French elections, and she still had a solid chance of taking over Macron recently in popularity. Not to mention s*** like Golden Dawn jumping in popularity after the 2008 financial crisis or Jobbik in 2018.
I agree with you on the last paragraph especially, but I was specifically talking about ukraine in the current context, I'm sure you're right in things can change on a dime but I still believe those small neo-nazi's will easily be rejected by the larger population, I was browsing twitter and this came on a few minutes ago
no ukrainians defending themselves against russian aggression does not make this a proxy war from the beginning, that's ridiculous
for the final time, ukraine wants to join nato precisely to stop this s*** from happening
russia will not just settle for a neutral ukraine
So you think we should just keep it going and cheering it on and attempting to defend it?
We as us posters here cant do anything, wether they defend it is up to the Ukrainians and it looks like they fiercly want to. Remember theyre the clear victims here and helping them is justified.
Especially since they are a potential EU and NATO member.
Is nazi presence in the Ukrainian armed force really that substantial?
It’s officially supported by the government, highly publicized, and obviously more present than just one single unit
We as us posters here cant do anything, wether they defend it is up to the Ukrainians and it looks like they fiercly want to. Remember theyre the clear victims here and helping them is justified.
Especially since they are a potential EU and NATO member.
Nazis will never be victims. Not every Ukrainian is innocent nor justified in their goals and actions in this war