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  • Gojira 🦖
    Updated Nov 28, 2022

    The fire began with a faulty power strip in a bedroom on the 15th floor of an apartment building in China’s far west. Firefighters spent three hours putting it out — too slow to prevent at least 10 deaths — and what might have remained an isolated accident turned into a tragedy and a political headache for local leaders.

    Many people suspected that a Covid lockdown had hampered rescue efforts or trapped victims inside their homes, and though officials denied that had happened, angry comments flooded social media and residents took to the streets in the city where the fire erupted.

    Now the episode in Urumqi, the capital of the Xinjiang region, has unleashed the most defiant eruption of public anger against the ruling Communist Party in years. In cities across China this weekend, thousands gathered with candles and flowers to mourn the fire’s victims. On campuses, students staged vigils, many holding up pieces of blank white paper in mute protest.

    In Shanghai, some residents even called for the Communist Party and its leader, Xi Jinping, to step down, a rare and bold challenge.

    The outpouring has created new pressures on Mr. Xi only a month after he secured a third term as party head, sealing his status as China’s most dominant leader in decades. The broader source of ire is his “zero Covid” strategy, which seeks to eliminate infections with lockdowns, quarantines and mass testing.

    It has kept deaths from the coronavirus much lower than elsewhere but also brought many Chinese cities to a near standstill, disrupted life and travel for hundreds of millions and forced many small businesses to close.

    Protests are relatively rare in China. Especially under Mr. Xi, the party has eliminated most means for organizing people to take on the government. Dissidents have been imprisoned, social media is heavily censored, and independent groups involved in human rights have been banned. The protests that break out in towns and villages often involve workers, farmers or other locals aggrieved by job losses, land disputes, pollution or other issues that usually remain contained.

    But the pervasiveness of China’s Covid restrictions has created a focus for anger that transcends class and geography. Migrant workers struggling with food shortages and joblessness during weekslong lockdowns, university students held on campuses, urban professionals chafing at travel restrictions — the roots of their frustrations are the same.
    The Communist Party’s greatest fear would be realized if these similar grievances led protesters from disparate backgrounds to cooperate, in an echo of 1989, when students, workers, small traders and residents found some common cause in the protests demanding democratic change that took over Tiananmen Square. So far, that has not occurred.

    “Covid Zero produced an unintended consequence, which is putting a huge number of people in the same situation,” said Yasheng Huang, a professor at the MIT Sloan School of Management who leads its China Lab. “This is a game changer.”

    “The anger has been pent up for a while, but I think the 20th Congress provided an expectation that it would wind down,” he said, referring to the party’s leadership reshuffle in October. “When that did not happen, the frustration quickly boiled over.”

    By Monday morning in Beijing, China’s leaders, including Mr. Xi, had yet to comment on the weekend tumult, and party-run news media were also silent.

    Covid travel limitations and government restrictions on foreign journalists make reporting on the protests difficult. The Times, which has two journalists based in mainland China, has followed the protests online and reported on the demonstrations through phone interviews, verified videos and sources inside China who have shared their recordings of the events.

    The deaths from Thursday’s fire in Urumqi and questions about whether the victims were sealed in their burning building resonated widely in China. After nearly three years of pandemic restrictions, many Chinese have stories of being quarantined at home, occasionally with their doors wired or welded shut or emergency exits blockaded. That shared experience seemed to feed collective suspicion and anger about the deaths.
    “Yesterday, I saw about the fire tragedy in Urumqi and was crying all the time, and then I thought of the time when Shanghai was under lockdown this year,” said Kira Yao, a sales manager in Shanghai, who said she attended the candlelight vigil there for victims of the Urumqi fire.

    “Later we shouted, ‘No nucleic acid tests, we want freedom’ and ‘No to health codes,’” she said. “I felt like finally I could say what I’ve wanted to say.”

    While many protesters limited their appeals to the loosening of Covid restrictions, some seized the chance to make broader political demands, linking the draconian reach of “zero Covid” to the country’s authoritarian system.

    On Sunday, hundreds of students gathered on the campus of Tsinghua University, in northwest Beijing, where they have been largely prohibited from leaving for weeks because of Covid restrictions.

    “Democracy and rule of law,” the crowd chanted. “Freedom of expression.”

    Later in the day, Tsinghua University announced that it would be offering students free air and rail travel home this week, earlier than usual before the Lunar New Year break.

    Protests are relatively rare in China. Especially under Mr. Xi, the party has eliminated most means for organizing people to take on the government. Dissidents have been imprisoned, social media is heavily censored, and independent groups involved in human rights have been banned. The protests that break out in towns and villages often involve workers, farmers or other locals aggrieved by job losses, land disputes, pollution or other issues that usually remain contained.

    But the pervasiveness of China’s Covid restrictions has created a focus for anger that transcends class and geography. Migrant workers struggling with food shortages and joblessness during weekslong lockdowns, university students held on campuses, urban professionals chafing at travel restrictions — the roots of their frustrations are the same.
    The Communist Party’s greatest fear would be realized if these similar grievances led protesters from disparate backgrounds to cooperate, in an echo of 1989, when students, workers, small traders and residents found some common cause in the protests demanding democratic change that took over Tiananmen Square. So far, that has not occurred.

    “Covid Zero produced an unintended consequence, which is putting a huge number of people in the same situation,” said Yasheng Huang, a professor at the MIT Sloan School of Management who leads its China Lab. “This is a game changer.”

    “The anger has been pent up for a while, but I think the 20th Congress provided an expectation that it would wind down,” he said, referring to the party’s leadership reshuffle in October. “When that did not happen, the frustration quickly boiled over.”

    By Monday morning in Beijing, China’s leaders, including Mr. Xi, had yet to comment on the weekend tumult, and party-run news media were also silent.

    Near Liangma River in Beijing on Sunday night, at least 100 people gathered to light candles and hold up sheets of white paper, an implicit protest of censorship. The crowd shouted encouragement to the protesters in Shanghai. Others stood on a bridge, also holding up white sheets of paper, while passing drivers honked their horns.
    “We don’t want lies; we want respect!” a woman yelled. “We don’t want a leader; we want a voting ballot,” she said in a reference to Mr. Xi.

    Other footage showed hundreds of people marching down a nearby street, chanting that they wanted freedom, not constant Covid tests.

    In Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the pandemic originated in late 2019, hundreds walked along the streets, some pulling down barriers that had been put up to enforce neighborhood lockdowns.

    The protests followed hopes that Covid restrictions would gradually ease after officials in Beijing released a 20-point plan this month to limit the scope of pandemic measures. Based on that plan, people had expected local governments to scale back contact tracing and mass quarantines, but when Covid cases surged, officials revived the same sweeping tactics.

    Mr. Xi has no easy response to the widespread anger. Censors have moved quickly to scrub photos and video footage of the protests. If Mr. Xi cracks down on demonstrators, he could anger the public further, straining even China’s formidable security apparatus. If he abruptly lifts many restrictions, he risks hurting his image of unassailable authority that he has built in part on his success battling Covid. The ensuing rise in infections, potentially deadly among the vulnerable, may also become another source of discontent.

    “The immediate challenge is whether and how they’re going to continue with ‘zero Covid’ when there is so much frustration. This is a decision he has to make in the next, say, 48 to 72 hours,” Minxin Pei, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna College who studies Chinese politics, said in an interview. “You can arrest people and put them in jail, but the virus will still be there. There are simply no easy answers for him, only hard choices.”

    The political stakes were made stark in Shanghai on Saturday evening, when what started out as a vigil escalated into a street protest.
    Dozens of people had gathered on Urumqi Road, named after the city in Xinjiang, to grieve the victims of the fire. As the crowd grew into the hundreds, chants broke out, with people calling for an easing of the Covid controls. “We want freedom,” they said. A small number of them openly denounced Mr. Xi and the Communist Party.

    “Xi Jinping!” a man in the crowd repeatedly shouted. “Step down!” some chanted in response.

    “This is unheard of in this era,” Professor Pei said. “It reflects a great deal of frustration with the Covid policies. People are just tired.”

    For most of the time since Covid spread from Wuhan nearly three years ago, many Chinese have accepted tough controls, including sweeping restrictions limiting travel to the country, as a price for avoiding the widespread illness and death that the United States and other countries suffered. But public patience has eroded this year as other nations increasingly have adapted to living with the virus.

    Workers at a vast iPhone factory in Zhengzhou, Henan Province, clashed violently with the police last week over lockdown measures and delays in the payment of bonuses. Earlier this month, hundreds of migrants locked down in the manufacturing hub of Guangzhou tore down barricades and ransacked food provisions. In October, a lone protester draped banners on a bridge in Beijing, just days ahead of the Communist Party congress where Mr. Xi won his new term in power.

    The Chinese government is likely to worry that images and video of the protests in Shanghai will spread, despite online censorship, inspiring more unrest. A BBC reporter, Ed Lawrence, was arrested by the police during the protests. In a statement, the BBC said later, “During his arrest, he was beaten and kicked by the police” before being released. It was not clear if he was charged. The British broadcaster said officials explained he had been arrested “for his own good in case he caught Covid from the crowd.”
    “We do not consider this a credible explanation,” the BBC said.

    Crowds also congregated in Chengdu, a city in southwest China, video from Sunday showed, with some shouting, “We want freedom, we want democracy.” Others yelled, “Freedom of speech, freedom of the press!”

    May Hu, who lives in southern Hunan Province, said she spent hours watching a livestream of the Shanghai protests on Instagram, which is blocked in China unless using software to surmount censorship barriers.

    “Before, everyone only thought about how to escape this all,” said Ms. Hu, who is in her 20s. “After, many people’s thinking has changed to, ‘We need to go fight and win freedom.’”

    Some participants in the previous night’s gathering in Shanghai expressed fear that the widespread public fury could ultimately draw an equally furious official response. A recent college graduate who requested that only his surname, Li, be used, said that after seeing the police pushing and detaining people on Saturday night, he was nervous about joining another demonstration.

    “After speaking out, some spectators maybe will feel empowered — that you can’t mess around with the people — but what will the outcome be?” said Ding Tingting, an art curator who joined the mourning vigil in Shanghai but disapproved of the rowdy chants later that night.

    On Sunday evening, residents gathered in the same area, some shouting, “Release them,” apparently after the police seized people in sometimes rough encounters, video shared with The Times showed. Officers hurried others along, preventing them settling in place for any potential protest.

    Context:

    A deadly fire broke out, people died due to the COVID regulations locking them in. People are fed up. Uyghurs are affected the most.

  • Nov 27, 2022
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    There have been protests going on for months at this point due to stuff like banks shutting down and people being unable to retrieve their money

    Then the stuff with Foxconn in zhengzhou and zero Covid policies in various cities have been building tension between citizens and “big white” (what they call the hazmat suit clowns).

    These past few weeks there have been kids dying because they can’t get medical treatment due to quarantine rules, people jumping out of windows cus they can’t go out to get food, people walking home hundreds of miles from the Foxconn factories. Protests have been breaking out in zhengzhou, nanjing, guangzhou, a bunch of cities

    And now this s*** with the fire set them off all over. Biggest protests yet. My wife (mainland Chinese) is loving it lol she said it’s about time they wake tf up over there and grow some balls

  • Gojira 🦖
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    Nov 27, 2022
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    Jihyo

    There have been protests going on for months at this point due to stuff like banks shutting down and people being unable to retrieve their money

    Then the stuff with Foxconn in zhengzhou and zero Covid policies in various cities have been building tension between citizens and “big white” (what they call the hazmat suit clowns).

    These past few weeks there have been kids dying because they can’t get medical treatment due to quarantine rules, people jumping out of windows cus they can’t go out to get food, people walking home hundreds of miles from the Foxconn factories. Protests have been breaking out in zhengzhou, nanjing, guangzhou, a bunch of cities

    And now this s*** with the fire set them off all over. Biggest protests yet. My wife (mainland Chinese) is loving it lol she said it’s about time they wake tf up over there and grow some balls

    Wow.

    What do you think will happen in these next few months?

  • Nov 28, 2022
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    Gojira

    Wow.

    What do you think will happen in these next few months?

    My wife is saying that there’s still hundreds of millions in China that don’t even know this stuff is happening

    The great firewall is on top of deleting posts about the protests on weibo (Chinese Twitter) and is also hawking peoples wechat accounts

    Her mom has been in quarantine for literally months either in hotels or in her home and she still isn’t at her breaking point. Seems like most of the people fed up are younger generation but there’s def some old heads out there fighting too.

    Idk what’s gonna happen tbh. I saw some news about guangzhou starting to reopen businesses due to the protest so maybe they’ve accomplished something. Would be fire if they realized the power of protest and numbers and finally decide to challenge the CCP

  • Nov 28, 2022
    Jihyo

    My wife is saying that there’s still hundreds of millions in China that don’t even know this stuff is happening

    The great firewall is on top of deleting posts about the protests on weibo (Chinese Twitter) and is also hawking peoples wechat accounts

    Her mom has been in quarantine for literally months either in hotels or in her home and she still isn’t at her breaking point. Seems like most of the people fed up are younger generation but there’s def some old heads out there fighting too.

    Idk what’s gonna happen tbh. I saw some news about guangzhou starting to reopen businesses due to the protest so maybe they’ve accomplished something. Would be fire if they realized the power of protest and numbers and finally decide to challenge the CCP

    i know a lot of chinese people here in the US on H1Bs and/or student visas and a lot of them were saying they think some crazy s*** is gonna happen in china over the next year or so unless they stop the whole zero covid policy. its a curious situation thats for sure

  • Nov 28, 2022
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    It’s crazy that they STILL think these measures are going to stop COVID all these years later. It’s bizarre

  • Nov 28, 2022
    Blanquito Mierda

    It’s crazy that they STILL think these measures are going to stop COVID all these years later. It’s bizarre

    I mean… it worked out for China until now because the people followed the guidelines but after almost 3 years they have (rightfully) enough. It doesn‘t work for them anymore

  • Gojira 🦖
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    Nov 28, 2022
  • lil ufo 🛸
    Nov 28, 2022

    hopefully the Chinese f*** s*** up

  • Nov 28, 2022

    They need to go wild on this one.

  • Nov 28, 2022
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    Take the white supremacist out of your OP

  • Nov 28, 2022

    Found an account on Twitter that seems to be posting a lot of videos about lockdowns in China. twitter.com/songpinganq?s=21&t=_PFbH1UH2oqFnhLDvQL71Q

  • Gojira 🦖
    OP
    Nov 28, 2022
    Synopsis

    Take the white supremacist out of your OP

    Who?

  • Gojira 🦖
    OP
    Nov 28, 2022
  • Nov 28, 2022
    Jihyo

    There have been protests going on for months at this point due to stuff like banks shutting down and people being unable to retrieve their money

    Then the stuff with Foxconn in zhengzhou and zero Covid policies in various cities have been building tension between citizens and “big white” (what they call the hazmat suit clowns).

    These past few weeks there have been kids dying because they can’t get medical treatment due to quarantine rules, people jumping out of windows cus they can’t go out to get food, people walking home hundreds of miles from the Foxconn factories. Protests have been breaking out in zhengzhou, nanjing, guangzhou, a bunch of cities

    And now this s*** with the fire set them off all over. Biggest protests yet. My wife (mainland Chinese) is loving it lol she said it’s about time they wake tf up over there and grow some balls

    But ppl on here want us to believe it’s western propaganda lol

  • Nov 28, 2022
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    Synopsis

    Take the white supremacist out of your OP

    Anything to say about the Chinese government oppressing their population?

  • Gojira 🦖
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    Nov 28, 2022

    I took out the guy with the american flag emoji in his name if that’s who it was

  • Nov 28, 2022
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    OP make a thread without stuffing it full of random ass tweets challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

  • Gojira 🦖
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    Nov 28, 2022
    daisycutterflowz

    OP make a thread without stuffing it full of random ass tweets challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

    Ok I got you.

  • Gojira 🦖
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    Nov 28, 2022
    daisycutterflowz

    OP make a thread without stuffing it full of random ass tweets challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

    Happy?

  • Nov 28, 2022
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    How much would it cost China to give full transparency on what was going on in their coronavirus centered labs around that time?

    I really think if they did and the lab leak theories were squashed, their zero COVID doctrine wouldn’t be as disparaged (externally)

  • Nov 28, 2022
    March Rigness

    How much would it cost China to give full transparency on what was going on in their coronavirus centered labs around that time?

    I really think if they did and the lab leak theories were squashed, their zero COVID doctrine wouldn’t be as disparaged (externally)

    the main reason they'd never do this isn't because of the relation to the coronavirus itself but because they'd have to admit they don't have as much of a hostile relationship with the US Govt as the Govt there often postures, which would hurt them a lot in how they present their geopolitical standings

  • Nov 29, 2022
    M a r b l e

    Anything to say about the Chinese government oppressing their population?

    Why do you care

  • KEV 💨
    Nov 29, 2022
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    Crazy

  • Nov 29, 2022
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    Blanquito Mierda

    It’s crazy that they STILL think these measures are going to stop COVID all these years later. It’s bizarre

    The Chinese situation is different. Realize they're in their own world with their own realities