There is no actual ideological tension nor is there any actual geopolitical tension - in fact the main ideology of both countries is making money and I find it hard to believe they would want to stop making money over the relatively arcane points of tension that do exist

90% of the supposed ideological divide would disappear if China dropped the communist airs and went full Singapore, while the rise of China, either in wealth or geopolitical prominence, does not meaningfully threaten American hegemony in the same way the Soviet Union did or France and Germany did to Britain in the late 1700s-early 1800s and late 1800s-early 1900s respectively

The most likely end to the Taiwan issue is that the U.S. returns to domestic semiconductor production and over the years it becomes more and more clear and China simply absorbs Taiwan at some point as a fait accompli

The only path to war or Cold War style standoff between China and the U.S. is either if Chinese leadership starts acting brash and provocative and looking for trouble as Germany’s leadership did leading up to World War I (but again I doubt it, because while theoretically if it worked they could unseat America as top dog, but if it doesn’t they’re f***ed and they would make 99% of the money and have less problems operating peacefully) or if American leadership Thucydides Trap meme themselves into acting aggressively and provoking tensions, but again I doubt it because there’s no real benefit

Of the revisionist powers, Russia, Iran, and even India have much more to gain from the collapse of American hegemony, while China can gain maximum utility just out of a recalibration of the American order and advancing its interest within the contexts of a geopolitically stable world

This is what I believe, perhaps this thread will age poorly if World War III breaks out over Taiwan

lol most of the countries americans hate are just because they were propagandized to be afraid of them

We love China

I don't really see US domestic semiconductor production replacing taiwan any time soon

Facts. Also the private sectors of both countries are pretty much in lockstep lol. It’s just a show to whip people into a fervor for votes and fear monger to keep money flowing to the military

Our warmongering with China so phoney. Cleaned up the whole city and pulled out the red carpet when Xi came through.

He already told us

You're wrong there is absolutely a geopolitical conflict, even if it's not ideological. The rise of China threatens America's deeply treasured economic/military supremacy.

i find myself agreeing

the chinese aren’t interested in f***ing america over like that at all

It's not that simple tho…China has actual ambitions to emerge as a bonafide superpower and a developed economy with a world class military by 2049. The steps to get there especially in East Asia directly interfere with ironclad U.S policies. Communism isn't as much the issue as it is Chinese nationalism and the direction China wants to take the world when "the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation" is complete. It's not an emerging power that is happily inheriting the system like the U.S did from the U.K (the only peaceful transfer btw)...it wants to change it. Every era of China in the last 150-200 years has had the same objective and it just happens to be the PRC carrying it out. It's an inevitable clash not just with the U.S, but hundreds of years of Western hegemony

The CW worked like it did partially because a major world destructing superpower war proceeded it that left 2 superpowers standing. The U.S were forced to respect the Soviets early but also the Soviets never fully closed in on U.S economic power the way China has miraculously done. This is already different as the U.S witnessed China go from poor to rich to challenging them and they’re pissed about the fact it was all under their watch

This is what happens in geopolitics tho. Emerging powers always challenge hegemonic ones and the struggle is transitions/holds without war. Does China specifically care about the U.S? No, but it cares about smashing obstacles in its way and that's exactly what the U.S is intent on being. The challenge is avoiding war but unfortunately in this scenario it happens ever time. There doesn’t need to be ideology within this but its definitely geopolitics as its finest

Can you expand on this please

What is Thucydide's Trap @Ronin ?

growing up is realizing China has a more healthy society than the US

It’s the idea that in a situation where there is a hegemonic power (US) and a rising power which challenges the position of the hegemon (China), there is a strong likelihood of armed conflict because the hegemon is fearful of losing its status (although I don’t remember if it requires that the hegemon strike first or if the direct cause can arise from either party). It comes from an a***ysis of Peloponnesian War being caused by Spartan fear about the rise of Athens which is mentioned by Thucydides. It is en vogue in IR studies, or at least it was several years ago

Why China such a military boogeyman when they haven't done a thing since Korean War? Nobody in their military has a shred of experience outside war games. It's not like back when Mao was devising the most deadly guerilla tactics on the planet anymore.

Growing up is realizing the grass ain't really greener

The American Revolutionary War was peaceful?

not the grass, the people though..

In my experience they can be just as rude or pleasant as westerners. Did you visit?

Hmm yes I think there is a possibility for conflict or hostility but I don't think it's inevitable at all, much the same could be said for Japan, and even in the 1980s there were anxieties about Japan's rise (or re-rise) in the US, yet in the end Japan's rise was stunted and it was subsumed into the world order and is still prosperous and influential even if it did not unseat the US for supremacy in the Asia-Pacific region. There is a possibility of China acting rashly to achieve its goals especially in the light of its demographic challenges but assuming it decide it's not worth the risk it very well could accept its return to its historic place of wealth, power, and prestige even if it did not manage to install itself as the global power

Wow you lived in China? How is it?

it has anything the US has but with less junk food