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  • lil ufo 🛸
    Feb 27
    Elric

    In my experience they can be just as rude or pleasant as westerners. Did you visit?

    nope, I’m a mere observer

  • Elric

    The American Revolutionary War was peaceful?

    They fought the British multiple times but were allies by the Monroe Doctrine. That’s not the transition tho it was in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when the U.S. both became the biggest economy and premier military.

    US never had to fight Europe for supremacy at best it just let them destroy themselves before sliding in.

  • Ronin

    Hmm yes I think there is a possibility for conflict or hostility but I don't think it's inevitable at all, much the same could be said for Japan, and even in the 1980s there were anxieties about Japan's rise (or re-rise) in the US, yet in the end Japan's rise was stunted and it was subsumed into the world order and is still prosperous and influential even if it did not unseat the US for supremacy in the Asia-Pacific region. There is a possibility of China acting rashly to achieve its goals especially in the light of its demographic challenges but assuming it decide it's not worth the risk it very well could accept its return to its historic place of wealth, power, and prestige even if it did not manage to install itself as the global power

    Oh I wasn’t tryna make it inevitable just basing off prior examples it’s a very challenging task.

    But again China is still a unique example. Japan was growing economically sure but with US military bases on its land, and the inability to independent attack a nation without the U.S. approval stamped its constitution. It was also deals with the U.S. like the Plaza Accords that many believed ruined their economy. They never were an independent power whereas China is challenging in every area they can

    I think ultimately Chinas peaceful rise so far and the complicated co-dependency with US are saving this situation right now. I just don’t know how things will look like when we get to critical points like the military becoming too strong to challenge convincingly or China getting too close if not surpassing US economy nominally. The U.S. identity is too attached to being the best to just watch that happen

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    Also I live in east China at the moment actually so I can answer any questions about life and vibe here. Here for studies this academic year and have experiences in several cities/provinces

  • Feb 27
    ImAUsernameLike

    lol most of the countries americans hate are just because they were propagandized to be afraid of them

    and vice versa

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    Still think the bigger question is if China will ever catch the US in economic prosperity tbh. China’s working population is now past its peak and will be one of the countries hit hardest by unfavourable demographics over the next 50 years. Furthermore it’s dealing with the lowest foreign investment in like 30 years due to an incredibly unsure business environment formed by the current CCP, and resulting in high youth unemployment. They done some good domestic investments in industries like EV’s though so maybe that can save them (these are heavily subsidised tho so). Feel like overall Xi has kind of shifted the CCP’s focus from economic growth to being more in control, both over its own citizens as over its (military) technologies (which is partly due to US sanctions).

    Only real scenario in which I see China acting as a real aggressor is if their economy continues to falter and wellbeing in the country doesn’t improve. The Chinese population is not dumb and if social unrest ensues I could see Xi trying to start some kind of distraction. Otherwise there is no way on earth China is doing an invasion of Taiwan, they’ll play the long game and try to influence the island in other ways.

  • Feb 27
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    lil ufo

    it has anything the US has but with less junk food

    Sounds great, what city you’re living in over there? How’s the internet?

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    YANDHI

    Also I live in east China at the moment actually so I can answer any questions about life and vibe here. Here for studies this academic year and have experiences in several cities/provinces

    How is it? What do the Chinese people think about these tensions?

  • lil ufo 🛸
    Feb 27
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    Marble

    Sounds great, what city you’re living in over there? How’s the internet?

    my country has the best internet in Europe

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    YANDHI

    Also I live in east China at the moment actually so I can answer any questions about life and vibe here. Here for studies this academic year and have experiences in several cities/provinces

    how much commie memorabilia is there for a tourist to buy and is it easily accessible

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    lil ufo

    my country has the best internet in Europe

    Oh you don’t live in China or the US? Then how you know China’s society is better than that of the US?

  • lil ufo 🛸
    Feb 27
    Marble

    Oh you don’t live in China or the US? Then how you know China’s society is better than that of the US?

    lmaooooooo

  • Feb 27

    i feel as if what works for one society with its unique cultural institutions may not work for another

    that does not preclude criticism

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    WRU fuk em up

    how much commie memorabilia is there for a tourist to buy and is it easily accessible

    I mean idk where but i've def passed markets or shopping streets with stores that had commie prints, art, sculptures, statues, etc.. lol, Definitely easily accessible

  • YANDHI

    I mean idk where but i've def passed markets or shopping streets with stores that had commie prints, art, sculptures, statues, etc.. lol, Definitely easily accessible

    thats awesome thanks for letting me kno

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    Marble

    How is it? What do the Chinese people think about these tensions?

    I think average Chinese see this all as a desperate attempt at containment. They see U.S military wrapping around their border, random sanctions on tech, and provocations in the Taiwan straight by a nation that resides on the other side of the world. My Chinese classmates are kinda more nuanced since they study American politics/culture and read and watch everything coming out of the country. Young Chinese in general have a sophisticated view cus they read U.S media and check our social media while still being deeply knowledgeable of their own government and perspectives

    I can't speak for 1.4B but i can say I think ultimately there's still positivity here for the U.S. People don't want to dislike America they just don't understand they we act like we do.

    Life here is great tho easily the most convenient life i've lived once i got through settlement steps in the first few weeks. It's a vast vast country and there's never an end to adventures

  • YANDHI

    I think average Chinese see this all as a desperate attempt at containment. They see U.S military wrapping around their border, random sanctions on tech, and provocations in the Taiwan straight by a nation that resides on the other side of the world. My Chinese classmates are kinda more nuanced since they study American politics/culture and read and watch everything coming out of the country. Young Chinese in general have a sophisticated view cus they read U.S media and check our social media while still being deeply knowledgeable of their own government and perspectives

    I can't speak for 1.4B but i can say I think ultimately there's still positivity here for the U.S. People don't want to dislike America they just don't understand they we act like we do.

    Life here is great tho easily the most convenient life i've lived once i got through settlement steps in the first few weeks. It's a vast vast country and there's never an end to adventures

    Damn interesting to hear. Def need to visit some time, you in Shanghai or something?

  • Feb 27
    Elric

    Why China such a military boogeyman when they haven't done a thing since Korean War? Nobody in their military has a shred of experience outside war games. It's not like back when Mao was devising the most deadly guerilla tactics on the planet anymore.

    Because they obviously have great military capabilities. You're wary of a man with a gun even if he's never fired one. Plus it's not just the military threat, the main problem is economic.