EXACTLY people that like it will agree with everything i say I dont like about it but still be like "hey its a good film" when I only have negative things to say about it

Same s*** word for word I cant understand it

Y’all really liked TLJ?

I can only think of a couple things that i legitimately liked about TROS

but they are mostly surface level things

That’s the problem with this movie mostly

It was okay with TFA because it was just getting us started and set up some interesting mysteries (I think JJ did fine with that)

but with TROS this s*** is a surface level mess that focuses on fan service and dictating that service to people who wanted very specific things from the franchise (which made this a total mess)

TLJ (even with some of its problems) completely challenges people’s views on the franchise and is more concerned with developing our characters deeper depth, it presented interesting themes and layers that stay true to the SW Saga.

Imagine not liking TLJ.

You do not understand acting at all

no one is no one

damn Colin writing great sw dialogue in drafts

I didn’t like anything from this Disney trilogy tbh. At least TFA was fun as a film on its own, it kinda wrecks the OT though just like each subsequent film from the Disney trilogy.

Only cool thing from TLJ was that Rey’s parents were nobodies and that you didn’t have to be a part of a certain bloodline to be a powerful Jedi.

Then they wrecked that s*** with the Palpatine granddaughter bit.

Luke’s force illusion scene (his beautiful death)
Holdo’s sacrifice
Snoke’s Death
Rey and Kylo’s force connection (the hand moment)
Luke’s disillusionment from the Jedi Order
Finn almost sacrificing himself (to be fair i’ll agree what happens after is corny with Rose, s*** i’ll give you 75 percent of the Finn/Rose B Plot)
Yoda’s “We are what they grow beyond” lesson for Luke

The Royal Guard fight
You’re still holding on, you need to let go!

It was hinted that the thing CT asked Rian Johnson to be in TLJ is the scene almost at the end where Poe and Rey meet in the Falcon

Bro i had thought that was just me for the longest but yeah this makes complete sense

Bruh they couldn’t even give us Chewie in a X-Wing

Dumb motherfuckers. I just wanted to see Coruscant again.

Luke’s entire story in the Disney trilogy is lame as s***. Dude was the one of the most pure, hopeful, and optimistic characters in film history and then he turns into this old whiny ass boomer. He chose not to succumb to the dark side and let Vader live because there was still a little good in him, but then he tries to kill Kylo? TFA ended on an epic cliffhanger and then TLJ starts with some marvel-esque lame comedy bit with him tossing his lightsaber. Comedy can be fine but yikes man that was bad.

Holdo’s sacrifice was story breaking and contrary to how warp space was explained in previous films. Like Luke’s whole bit where he defied the odds by blowing up the Death Star now becomes pointless. Should’ve just had someone kamikaze that b**** like Holdo did. Kamikaze now the most effective battle strategy. JJ had to retcon that because of how story breaking it was.

Snokes death completely anti climatic and forced JJ to bring Palpatine back, which is honestly hokiest thing done in a blockbuster franchise.

Finn’s attempt to sacrifice himself and Rose saving him literally makes no sense. Like how the hell was she able to go so fast that she got way ahead of him and then turned in to hit him from a 90 degree angle? And live? It’s bad.

Like you mentioned not understanding how anyone could like the RoS, but TLJ is equally as bad when you start a***yzing any of it. TLJ is a hokey attempt at subverting expectations. RoS is a hokey attempt at retconning and fan service. Disney really wrecked the franchise.

yo Colin set up s*** from the prequels in a really cool way too

Disney get your s*** together

Can you believe that whatever happens after TROS
We gotta deal with that trash as canon moving forward, f***ing EW

first off Luke has never been as optimistic as you all love to claim he is, y’all got Legends canon all stuck up in your head

You have a very skewed vision of the character
Bruh was constantly giving up in the Original Trilogy and claiming things to be impossible
He almost goes to the Dark Side in Return until Palpatine says some s*** to knock him into his senses.

That’s the whole theme/lesson of his character in TLJ
Your heroes aren’t what you think they are but their legacy is important to keep a hold onto for hope for the future

The dude tried to rebuild the jedi order and failed by fearing of the next potential Vader, that fear created Kylo

Secondly holdo’s sacrifice is a sacrifice only made in the last digit effort of saving an entire resistance
Unless they absolutely need to and there’s no other way the Rebellion isn’t going to throw in Suicide bombers
That’s not only bad story telling but throws away any tension for future obstacles
They even state it’s an incredibly difficult thing to even attempt.

Snokes Death was character building for Kylo’s future
JJ wasn’t “forced” to bring back Palpatine
We didn’t NEED a palpatine figure for the last film
It’s not Rian’s fault that JJ is a hack
Kylo Ren and his Knights should have been the sole focused antagonists of the film

And yeah while it’s corny Rose Saving Finn was a lesson in not thinking through and just resorting to a sacrificial play that won’t do anything to stop the enemy
It’s a Sci Fi Fantasy since when are we taking down the speed and velocities of fictional vehicles in a fictional universe this seriously

Luke’s literally a new hope, and we’re overrating his optimism? Yeah he struggles with it all throughout the trilogy but they complete his arc as someone that’s overcome the dark side, and spares his murderous father because there’s still good in him. Then they wreck the arc with him trying to kill his nephew. There’s ways to show our heroes aren’t who we thought they were, and then there’s turning him into a nephew killing boomer b****. He saw the light in Vader but is worried about creating a new Vader?

You’re absolutely right about one thing on Holdo. Suicide sacrifice killing the bad guy is bad story telling. It’s bad story telling if they use it often, but it’s bad story telling if they use it once effectively and never use it again. These guys are killing all of the resistance, but one person going kamikaze is too far or last ditch? Cmon. It was so bad JJ had to add a line about it being so hard to do to retcon how stupid it was. You’re mad at all of JJ’s retcons but accept that one?

Kylo never would’ve worked as the final villain. Dude had trouble fighting a low level storm trooper in Finn who had never used a light saber before lol. They needed a bigger bad to sell. Look at Kylo and look at Vader. Maybe if they actually turned Kylo into the next Vader it could’ve worked but they made him too incompetent in the first two films to make him the final villain.

The Rose and Finn wreck is actual bad story telling. It’s not so much that the physics don’t work. It’s that they try and invoke an emotional response out of you by putting Finn in grave imminent danger, and then use something completely illogical to pull him out of it. Not just the physics of her getting there but the physics of them surviving that wreck. That’s actually bad story telling. That’s storytelling without integrity.

Tbh I’m more Star Trek than Star Wars, but i can appreciate the OT. The rest is mid to bad.

What the f*** are you on about? I am stating facts. I'm not talking about actors having to be the same age as their characters.

Yes you are overrating his optimism
30 years is a whole lot of time to grow as a character or become completely disillusioned and wrapped up in your own cynical depression
And clearly you don’t see how fickle people in real life can be, so lemme make it clear
fiction often takes reality into consideration when developing characters
If you’re telling me that someone remains static for 30 years since their last appearance then that’s bland/bad character writing.

Bruh you clearly aren’t getting my point, so lemme make it more clear
Sacrificing yourself in last ditch efforts to save your cause cannot be written as casual as any other plot point is.
It’s not good writing, this very specific hyperdrive sacrifice was a perfectly aligned moment for the story.
It was set up well and earned.
Finn’s Sacrificial moment was not because there was no way it was going to guarantee that they all survived, it would have been a pointless endeavor.

Kylo doesn’t need to be Vader’s strength to be a worthy villain

And the example you’re pulling from is when he had just killed his own father (spiritually torn apart and weakened) and also physically was shot with chewie’s f***ing bowcaster (which sent stormtroopers f***ing flying earlier)
And even still handled Finn and Almost Rey (he was trying to have her be his apprentice as well) so he was clearly holding back. He out smarted Snoke (who in canon was basically Palpatine)
and was dismantling plenty of Royal Guards (Royal Guards are Trained specifically to fight Jedi and Sith in canon, and have in the past been known to slaughter them during the Jedi Purge)

Bro f*** outta here lol

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on TLJ. I’m not missing any of your points I just disagree with all of them. People change all the time, but going from being a hero for several generations(irl not talking the movies) to the b**** he is in TLJ is jarring. If that was the route they were going to take JJ should’ve started setting that up in TFA, but JJ and Rian obviously weren’t aligned. The story wasn’t planned out and they made s*** up as they went.

I understand that kamikaze runs would be bad writing, but it’s bad writing to do it once and never do it again. It never should’ve been done in the first place. Why don’t they ever do that? Don’t say bad writing, we know it’d be bad writing. But in that universe, if they’re going into a war where tons of resistance members are going to die, why not save them by running a kamikaze attack again and sacrificing one person? You have to go and use a retcon line that JJ, who you call a hack, to defend it.

You’re also talking out of both sides of your mouth defending Kylo as the final villain. You can’t say he was strong enough to be the main villain instead of Palpatine because he outsmarted Palpatine, because in your version Palpatine never came back. You want to rewrite RoS but use evidence from it to support your points. Rey thought the Jedi’s were a myth(another terrible line) and Finn was a s***ty storm trooper earlier in TFA, and the main villain of the trilogy struggled with those two? Weakened or not that’s some weak s***. No ones taking that guy as the main villain. Those Royal Guards were also f***ing chumps in TLJ. The entire fight in the throne room is honestly the worst fight choreography in a film that big.

lol like wtf are they doing here

Lmao look at the dudes on the left
“OH F*** LETS ALL RUN AWAY”

Also why the f*** does Kylo stabs his lightsaber in the ground ???? bro I’ve never noticed all this s*** lmfao

Kylo would never be an intimidating villian. He already got rekt by Rey, threw temper tantrums, and tbh Adam Driver just doesn’t look intimidating. I’ll never forget seeing TFA on opening night and half the theater bursting out laughing when Kylo took his helmet off

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