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we need to invest in education man so threads like this don’t happen

a fact is a single truth

a law is a description of why certain facts are the way they are

“He makes you sound like a stupid science b****” god I love this show

Ooohhhh this one’s edgy

nigga prefers to believe in stars than to believe in actual facts

i mean, there is a non-zero risk that our scientific theories are an elaborate mirage of some sort, and will suddenly invert and give way to a universe in which astrology is true.

it might be 0.0000...01%, but it exists, sure.

this is a pretty trivially useless statement though, given that it's pragmatically useful to assume that there is a stable, objective reality we can make scientific claims about.

or maybe your point is that we shouldn't be presumptuous and assume that our scientific theories are absolute, and should instead see them as the current iteration of knowledge - subject to change and development.

that's a fair point, but future iterations should agree with and build upon current ones. for instance, general relativity can also account for the predictions of newton's laws of gravity, despite replacing it.

Why can’t I prove it? Who created you? That’s enough information right there so insist that I am correct.

Well, laws are based on frequently observed phenomena that are tied to actual facts that can be proven. Unless circumstances change in the environment itself, the law will hold.

If those circumstances were to change, the scientific method would create a new theory to explain that change and, finally, a new scientific law that is continually replicable.

Science is a process, not a theory. Astrology is not a science. You may find worth in it and observe correlations, but there is no provable, systematic explanation for how astrology can be applied to the physical world. It has a unique logic, but it's not a science.

i feel you have a tendency to take kernels of truth and spin them something extreme and baseless

F*** off with considering something non fiction because you lack ability to grasp information

Read up on a concept called the "Demarcation problem". It is exactly what you're talking about.

Demarcation is more than a philosophical problem, as modern society not only privileges but depends on scientific knowledge in various ways. For example, we need to be able to distinguish effective medical treatments from quack remedies; we have limited public funding for scientific research and would like to allocate funds appropriately; we need to make political decisions on scientific issues such as climate change. Science is also a central subject in our education systems, and decisions must be made as to what topics should be included in science curricula.

Consequently, society needs to make informed judgments about what is and is not science – and in all of the above dependencies, the critical demarcation issue is between science and pseudoscience (a la, Astrology).

The problem is one of the biggest arguments in the scientific community, so I don't think you're going to find much insight in a KTT2 thread. Definitely do research on it however.

hahaha

most self-appointed spokespeople of science would also benefit from reading into this. lot of richard dawkins types masquering bad philosophy as science.

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But to answer your question, we don't have anything other than science. We can't simply "believe" in pseudoscientific endeavors-- not because of the label of pseudoscience, but because we cannot realistically figure out what is real and what isn't. What even is reality? Questions like that can only go so far until we have tested processes to potentially answer them-- and our scientific methods and processes have been the best solution in finding those answers.

It's good that OP is asking these questions, but by being so aggressive in his questioning, he's kind of spitting in the face of science. He seems to have his mind made up already, which is unfortunate, because he's wrong in this case.

You are a perfect example of the failures of our education system

You are the perfect example of a dumbass thinking our education system means something lmao. Programmed to be mediocre and live how the government excepts you to. Only thing to take from education is how to socialize. Basic math. And English. Seek knowledge not no education system moron

this thread so ed

some of y'all wanna be woke so bad

It sounds like we both agree that there are issues with our education system then